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19 Jun 2015, 12:06 pm

Human beings; ones with NORMAL empathy, have a built in aversion to killing other humans with their
bare hands; that alone is what is sad about rampage killings and guns or other bigger tools of killing
named bombs; without that distance, and tools, including swords or other tools of killing in Chinese
Rampage killings, humans are more likely not going to be under the attack of a rampage killing or
killed by a frigging nuclear bomb; in other words, I am not picking on guns alone as
an equalizer; all tools of killing are a negative equalizer to avoid the human
empathy of aversion to killing among one's own species.

Yes, it is a tribal adaptation by way of cultural tools
to kill the opposing challenge of the other tribe,
or prey to better survive; but the sad
consequences of a culture where
social roles are so vague that folks
join a culture of conspiracy theories
or white supremacy is that is a cocktail
of disaster for just the right recipe of
catastrophic numbers of rampage killing;
and yes, it is rare; unless one is on the other
end of the one who has lost their real social
role, never gained one, or has anti-social roles
of conspiracy theory, or other, against whatever
system of social-norms that are in place to work
the best that society can to thrive and survive;

A society that does not provide social roles
is A REAL PROBLEM; and Rampage Killings
with GUNS OR OTHER TOOLS of killing
is a barometer of that problem; that
comes and goes; as mileage
varies on killing but
IS NEVER GOOD.

More on that here, per
social roles and rampage
killing and GUNS AS
equalizers for
killing.

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=218916

And yes, the absence of clearly defined social
roles is a major factor in the development
of mental illness; the two work together
for human misery and suffering; overall.

And yes, sites like Info-Wars, are just
fuel for the
'fodder'.

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19 Jun 2015, 12:16 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

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setting aside the fact that you're posting infowars unironically(lolol), that whole article is "durrr black disenfranchisement? whats that"

Setting aside the statement's many spelling, grammar and style errors, it is an example of an ad hominem attack. This is especially egregious when I accounted for the source and emphasized the embedded research links.

you know what ad hominem is; yet you think that statistics are infallible indicators when they're just numbers and numbers can be twisted by people with agendas, like the person from your article.
the report quoted doesn't have any data for latinos, so claiming anything with those numbers is just plain dishonest.

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19 Jun 2015, 5:17 pm

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So Just How Dangerous Are Black Folks? The Trouble With Right-Wing Data Analysis

First, according to the 2008 data Williams relied on (see Table 42), which is the most recent comprehensive data published by the Justice Department on violent crime victimizations, that year there were approximately 3.6 million violent crimes involving a single-offender.
These crimes include assault, both simple and aggravated (mostly simple), robbery, and sexual assault or rape. Of those 3.6 million violent crimes, whites committed 2.1 million of them (58.4%) while blacks committed about 830,000 (22.8%) About 442,000 (or 12%) involved perpetrators whose race was not known to the victim.
Thus, for crimes where the race of the perpetrator was known to the victims (about 3.2 million crimes), whites would have committed about 66 percent (two-thirds) and blacks about 26 percent (one-fourth).
If we assume the same rough racial distribution for crimes where the perpetrator’s race was not known as for crimes where the offender race was known (a reasonable guess), this would mean that whites committed an additional 300,000 crimes, roughly, while blacks would have committed an additional 115,000.
In all, this would mean that in 2008, whites committed roughly 2.4 million single offender violent crimes, while blacks would have committed around 950,000.

e: added spacing for legibility

I'm sure that doesn't include the ratio of black to white in the population, which is the telling aspect. When looking at stats, you need to match the controls so they're equal in numbers, otherwise you don't get an accurate picture.

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19 Jun 2015, 8:10 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

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Dillogic wrote:

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I'll tell you this much - i absolutely think that every black person in america should arm themselves, to protect themselves against crazy racist white boys.

To be fair, blacks in the US are probably a million times more likely to be a victim of another black or brown street criminal compared to a white spree killer.

9 killed is probably close to one active weekend in Chicago for black on black violence.

Indeed ( http://www.infowars.com/black-crime-fac ... talk-about ). And, because I have come to expect immediate dismissal of certain news reports like this one by some, I ask only that they try to focus on the statistical links embedded in the report, 'k?

infowars?

That is correct. The Infowars.com taint is all over those federal statistics' links. Changes the whole meaning of them. In fact, the very words rearrange themselves as a result. After all, some people need every reason they can make up or muster to feel superior to certain government facts. Are you one of them?

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19 Jun 2015, 9:48 pm

If you want to be taken seriously, you can't be linking to wingnut sites like infowars. A lot of people will never bother to click on those links.

I'm not gonna bother to look up the statistics to make your argument for you.

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19 Jun 2015, 10:18 pm

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I'm not gonna bother to look up the statistics to make your argument for you.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... r_2012.xls

By this, black people murder around half of all people, most of which are black (2012; it shouldn't change much from year to year), and they make up...13% of the population.

That close to the infowars data?

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19 Jun 2015, 11:03 pm

Dillogic wrote:

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I'm not gonna bother to look up the statistics to make your argument for you.

So? Peaceful black people have plenty of reason to get themselves armed

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19 Jun 2015, 11:27 pm

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So? Peaceful black people have plenty of reason to get themselves armed

Of course they do.

But, it shouldn't be in fear of a white spree killer. By stats, they should fear other black people.

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20 Jun 2015, 12:10 am

Dillogic wrote:

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So? Peaceful black people have plenty of reason to get themselves armed

Of course they do.

But, it shouldn't be in fear of a white spree killer. By stats, they should fear other black people.

By raw stats, yes.

We don't know what percentage of killings are a live by the sword / die by the sword situation.

People who lead a life of violence should not be surprised when their life ends violently.

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20 Jun 2015, 12:12 am

Strength is more than just physical though.

I'm a bumbling 6 foot 1 and 250 pounds, but I'm NOT a fighter and I'm sure someone much smaller than me could kick my ass.

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20 Jun 2015, 12:23 am

donnie_darko wrote:

Strength is more than just physical though.

I'm a bumbling 6 foot 1 and 250 pounds, but I'm NOT a fighter and I'm sure someone much smaller than me could kick my ass.

I'm a lumbering 6 foot 3 and past 400 pounds, and really I'm just a big teddybear, but nobody has threatened me physically, in person, since about the fourth grade. Not without a blaze of fear in their eyes, anyhow.

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20 Jun 2015, 12:34 am

blauSamstag wrote:

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Strength is more than just physical though.

I'm a bumbling 6 foot 1 and 250 pounds, but I'm NOT a fighter and I'm sure someone much smaller than me could kick my ass.

I think some people are more nimble than others and that's why IMO guns aren't really a very effective equalizer. Plus the fact you're probably more likely to kill yourself with one than have to use one to kill an intruder.

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20 Jun 2015, 1:16 am

blauSamstag wrote:

Dillogic wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

I'm not gonna bother to look up the statistics to make your argument for you.

So? Peaceful black people have plenty of reason to get themselves armed

Why? According to your statistics a few pages ago they don't need them and will be more likely to commit suicide with them. You're not trimming your sails all the sudden in the wake of that one shooting in SC are you? Statistically speaking, that shooting is insignificant....

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20 Jun 2015, 8:17 am

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Uber, the popular ride-sharing company, has changed its gun policy saying drivers and passengers will no longer be allowed to carry them....

DailyCaller.com: "Uber Quietly Changes Its Gun Policy" (June 19, 2015)
http://www.dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/u ... gun-policy

Whatever. A private business can do whatever it chooses to do. But, I suspect that the criminals that Uber desires to exclude aren't going to give a rats butt about any policy. And, what is Uber going to do about the firearms they see or imagine: pull over and demand the armed individual vacate the vehicle? I shudder at the imperiousness, I say!

More importantly, by prohibiting its drivers from being armed, too, fewer drivers will choose to work for Uber (Pizza Hut experienced this when it prohibited its drivers similarly). And, the corporate death spiral begins. I can't say I care, though. I didn't even know what an Uber was until a few months ago. It should focus on its business, not the wonderings of its loudest complainers.

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20 Jun 2015, 4:36 pm

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On one hand I think it's BS but on the other it's one of those civil liability things.
Many if not all most employers expressly forbid firearms on the premises to include the parking lot. If an employee were to go postal, even to shoot one person, the ambulance chasing attorneys would have a field day if that company were found not have a policy in black and white forbidding firearms on the premises.

People secretly ignore that policy and upper management secretly knows it and doesn't really care as long as it stays below thier radar.

As far as Uber goes, how will they know if thier no guns policy is being complied with if the guns are concealed?

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20 Jun 2015, 4:51 pm

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the driver can send a report about their rider after dropping them off, and the rider would be ignorant of it being done.

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