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16 Dec 2015, 6:42 pm

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Hey, I'm serious. I'd never vote for him in the general election, but I SO want him to be GOP candidate. :lol:

I'm probably gonna be forced to vote for Clinon in the general. Reframing it as voting against Trump will make that easier.


Why not Bernie Sanders? Hilary is probably the worst person running for the democratic party...she just says what she thinks people want to hear and doesn't really stick to positions plus she has plenty of billionaire funding. At least Bernie Sanders has a political track record that shows he stands by what he says. I also fear trump would for sure win if Hilary is nominated as the democratic candidate.

Hey, I'd love to be able to vote for Bernie. I just don't think he'll get the nomination.

I loathe Hilary, but at least she's competent. Can't say the same for Trump.

I love what Jeb Bush said about where Trump gets his foreign policy info...

"I won't get my information from 'the shows.' I don't know if that's Saturday morning or Sunday morning," Bush said. "I don't know which one..." :lol:

I don't know how you can watch Trump in the debates and not realize how lost he is most of the time.

If he gets the nomination, Hilary will totally humiliate him in the debates... It probably won't matter to his followers. :roll:


I thought Bernie was more popular than Hillary, especially when it comes to people leaning more right....some of them would consider Bernie but not Hillary. Then again its hard to know what sources are correct about who's ahead in the elections and which ones aren't since they aren't all consistent with each other.


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16 Dec 2015, 6:47 pm

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I don't equate Trump with Hitler.....but the guy has a penchant for saying really stupid things.

Imagine if he were at a summit meeting? Imagine the offense he could cause?

Talk about international incidents!

Trump didn't turn his daddy's millions into billions being stupid.

Trump is GREAT at reading his audience and pandering to them.

I don't think Trump is Hitlerian, but what he's doing right now, manipulating the mob by scapegoating muslims, comes rigth out of the fascist playbook.

trump isn't all that good at making money. if he had invested his dad's fortune in a stock index fund and not touched it, he would have four times as much as he has now.


Trump is very good at making money, where did you hear this meme from? It's not true, even slate ran an article debunking it. The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin; better margins than Apple, Pfizer, Gazprom, and Hyundai. Trump's salary for himself last year was $250 million. You can think he's the next Hitler but Trump is a very rich and very successful man, saying otherwise is just a bold faced lie.



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16 Dec 2015, 6:58 pm

Trump has a saner foreign policy than any other Republican not named Rand Paul, Ted Cruz is marginally better than average, everyone else is a batshit neocon who wants to start WWIII. He is much much better than Hillary is on this subject, Hillary was unquestionable a disaster as Secretary of State. How can you say she's competent? Where do all these high minded candidates get their foreign policy views? Think Tanks like Project For A New American Century? How intellectual. Hilary is the opposite of competent, she has never succeeded at anything in her entire life except covering up for her predator husband. I mean, I guess she did somehow turn $1,000 into $100,000 in 10 months in 1979 by investing in "cattle futures" after which she never traded again. Maybe it's not a coincidence that the CIA was flying cocaine into Arkansas while Bubba was governor... Just spitballing there

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton.



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16 Dec 2015, 7:00 pm

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Hey, I'm serious. I'd never vote for him in the general election, but I SO want him to be GOP candidate. :lol:

I'm probably gonna be forced to vote for Clinon in the general. Reframing it as voting against Trump will make that easier.


Why not Bernie Sanders? Hilary is probably the worst person running for the democratic party...she just says what she thinks people want to hear and doesn't really stick to positions plus she has plenty of billionaire funding. At least Bernie Sanders has a political track record that shows he stands by what he says. I also fear trump would for sure win if Hilary is nominated as the democratic candidate.

Hey, I'd love to be able to vote for Bernie. I just don't think he'll get the nomination.

I loathe Hilary, but at least she's competent. Can't say the same for Trump.

I love what Jeb Bush said about where Trump gets his foreign policy info...

"I won't get my information from 'the shows.' I don't know if that's Saturday morning or Sunday morning," Bush said. "I don't know which one..." :lol:

I don't know how you can watch Trump in the debates and not realize how lost he is most of the time.

If he gets the nomination, Hilary will totally humiliate him in the debates... It probably won't matter to his followers. :roll:


I thought Bernie was more popular than Hillary, especially when it comes to people leaning more right....some of them would consider Bernie but not Hillary. Then again its hard to know what sources are correct about who's ahead in the elections and which ones aren't since they aren't all consistent with each other.

Bernie identifies himself as a socialist--that's not going to win him much support on the right.

I think his 'outsider' status might make him appeal to some people who identify with the right for non-economic reasons...

I think Clinton is leading Sanders by about 20 points right now.

I wish it wasn't so...


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16 Dec 2015, 7:05 pm

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Trump has a saner foreign policy than any other Republican not named Rand Paul, Ted Cruz is marginally better than average, everyone else is a batshit neocon who wants to start WWIII. He is much much better than Hillary is on this subject, Hillary was unquestionable a disaster as Secretary of State. How can you say she's competent? Where do all these high minded candidates get their foreign policy views? Think Tanks like Project For A New American Century? How intellectual. Hilary is the opposite of competent, she has never succeeded at anything in her entire life except covering up for her predator husband. I mean, I guess she did somehow turn $1,000 into $100,000 in 10 months in 1979 by investing in "cattle futures" after which she never traded again. Maybe it's not a coincidence that the CIA was flying cocaine into Arkansas while Bubba was governor... Just spitballing there

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton.

Trump and Paul have polar opposite FP views.

Trump has managed to piss off every leader in the middle east INCLUDING Israel. How is this good or helpful?


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16 Dec 2015, 7:20 pm

If Trump is elected, he'll turn the US into a communist police state.


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16 Dec 2015, 7:35 pm

Putin was a KGB man! I believe he wants to return to the days of the Soviets.

I'd take Khrushchev over him any day!



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16 Dec 2015, 8:49 pm

Jacoby wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
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I don't equate Trump with Hitler.....but the guy has a penchant for saying really stupid things.

Imagine if he were at a summit meeting? Imagine the offense he could cause?

Talk about international incidents!

Trump didn't turn his daddy's millions into billions being stupid.

Trump is GREAT at reading his audience and pandering to them.

I don't think Trump is Hitlerian, but what he's doing right now, manipulating the mob by scapegoating muslims, comes rigth out of the fascist playbook.

trump isn't all that good at making money. if he had invested his dad's fortune in a stock index fund and not touched it, he would have four times as much as he has now.


Trump is very good at making money, where did you hear this meme from? It's not true, even slate ran an article debunking it. The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin; better margins than Apple, Pfizer, Gazprom, and Hyundai. Trump's salary for himself last year was $250 million. You can think he's the next Hitler but Trump is a very rich and very successful man, saying otherwise is just a bold faced lie.


Being rich and successful hardly would disqualify him from being the next Hitler, he'd just be a Hitler that started out wealthy rather than poor.


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16 Dec 2015, 8:52 pm

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Bernie identifies himself as a socialist--that's not going to win him much support on the right.

I think his 'outsider' status might make him appeal to some people who identify with the right for non-economic reasons...

I think Clinton is leading Sanders by about 20 points right now.

I wish it wasn't so...


Nonetheless there are some on the right who do see him as a viable candidate regardless of that which I initially found rather surprising myself. Ick I so don't want Hillary but, I guess she may still be the lesser evil compared to Trump at least the thought of her being president doesn't scare me like the thought of Trump being president.


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16 Dec 2015, 8:55 pm

I wouldn't equate Trump with Hitler--not by a long shot.

But I just wish he'd stick to firing people on his reality show.



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16 Dec 2015, 9:01 pm

Jacoby wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't equate Trump with Hitler.....but the guy has a penchant for saying really stupid things.

Imagine if he were at a summit meeting? Imagine the offense he could cause?

Talk about international incidents!

Trump didn't turn his daddy's millions into billions being stupid.

Trump is GREAT at reading his audience and pandering to them.

I don't think Trump is Hitlerian, but what he's doing right now, manipulating the mob by scapegoating muslims, comes rigth out of the fascist playbook.

trump isn't all that good at making money. if he had invested his dad's fortune in a stock index fund and not touched it, he would have four times as much as he has now.


Trump is very good at making money, where did you hear this meme from? It's not true, even slate ran an article debunking it. The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin; better margins than Apple, Pfizer, Gazprom, and Hyundai. Trump's salary for himself last year was $250 million. You can think he's the next Hitler but Trump is a very rich and very successful man, saying otherwise is just a bold faced lie.

not a lie, a mistake, believing what i read. i did some research, evidently, there is controversy.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... e-indexed-



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16 Dec 2015, 9:30 pm

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Trump may be an idiot but he's the least idiotic candidate so far. What does this tell us about American democracy? Maybe that it's less democratic and more aristocratic? :?


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16 Dec 2015, 9:30 pm

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Trump has a saner foreign policy than any other Republican not named Rand Paul, Ted Cruz is marginally better than average, everyone else is a batshit neocon who wants to start WWIII. He is much much better than Hillary is on this subject, Hillary was unquestionable a disaster as Secretary of State. How can you say she's competent? Where do all these high minded candidates get their foreign policy views? Think Tanks like Project For A New American Century? How intellectual. Hilary is the opposite of competent, she has never succeeded at anything in her entire life except covering up for her predator husband. I mean, I guess she did somehow turn $1,000 into $100,000 in 10 months in 1979 by investing in "cattle futures" after which she never traded again. Maybe it's not a coincidence that the CIA was flying cocaine into Arkansas while Bubba was governor... Just spitballing there

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton.

Trump and Paul have polar opposite FP views.

Trump has managed to piss off every leader in the middle east INCLUDING Israel. How is this good or helpful?


Not really, no. Rand's campaign has been very stupid not to try triangulate Trump as Cruz and Carson have, it's the reason why he has polling in the low single digits. Hopefully his carrying weight for the establishment helps him out down the line in Senate but I doubt it. McConnell used him to get reelected, it was a masterstroke by Mitch actually since their relationship discredited Rand in the eyes a lot of his father's supporters while carrying him thru the GOP primary.

Trump sees war thru the lens of nationalism and it's pretty clear to everyone that the foreign policy we have followed in the last couple decades that the wars we fought are not in our national interest. That's why Trump says stuff like we gotta take their oil or that we have to kill the terrorist's families, we live in the ridiculous time of the Orwellian forever "humanitarian war" for democracy and get NOTHING not even victory from these wars. We should not go to war unless we mean it and that means nothing less than total victory, we shouldn't be fighting someone else's civil war. Trump was against the Iraq War, he was against the intervention in Libya, he is against the removal of Assad, he is against the arming of terrorists to fight other terrorists, and is open minded towards his relationship with Putin. I find him much preferable to any neocon.

Also give me a break about Netanyahu being "upset" about Trump's comments, Israel has no right to speak on the subject since it would be a cold day in hell before Israel ever opened up its borders to refugees. Most of the feigned outrage at Trump is based on a misrepresentation of his statements and positions, there is such a rush to condemn everything he says as the worst thing ever when what he is saying a the views of the common man as ironic as it is for a billionaire to be doing that so when you call him a racist or a Nazi you are essentially calling this population that who agrees with Trump's proposal account for the like 66% of the GOP electorate and 30% of the Democratic one and that is with it being widely misrepresented in the media which only fuels more of divide. Attacking Trump dishonestly makes him stronger, they've been so dishonest that even if Trump did do something worthy of this relentless character assassination that his supporters wouldn't even believe it or care. It's the boy who cried wolf, or in this case racist. Racist literally is a meaningless word now, it means you disagree with Democrats at this point. PC has been tuned out.



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16 Dec 2015, 9:51 pm

Hillary is hopelessly corrupt, Bernie Sanders at least seems like an honest man and guided by some principle. He doesn't really talk much beyond economic issues, he's probably a lot better on domestic and foreign policy than Hillary but who would know? He's too much of a coward to even go after Hillary for her email or anything really, I don't consider him a serious candidate and he's sank back in the polls so I have a hard time seeing that reversing at this point. There is literally not one positive thing I can say about Hillary. I think she is a criminal, I think her husband is a criminal, I think she has shown incompetence at everything she has ever attempted in politics. You think because of her fake persona that she has no ego or that she likes people, it's such a farce, she is the epitome of an elitist and is disgusted at the common man and this has been well well documented. The Secret Service consider it a punishment to be assigned to protect Hillary because she is such a nasty shrew, she slut shamed every woman Bill ever took advantage of and now she says women ought to be believed when they report such crimes? Just an evil person.



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16 Dec 2015, 9:52 pm

i wouldn't call trump's views those of the common man. his supporters tend to be uneducated angry white males.



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16 Dec 2015, 10:44 pm

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i wouldn't call trump's views those of the common man. his supporters tend to be uneducated angry white males.


Well, white males are literally thee most common man but so what is that makes up the majority of his supporters Many Democrats are uneducated angry minorities, are they any better? Do their concerns not matter? Trump stands against the globalists, against the donor class, against political correctness which is their means of control. Illegal immigration disproportionately punishes the lower class, Trump's populism might be more appealing to across the demographics than you a realize. We've all heard the giant sucking sound of NAFTA which Hillary's husband signed into law so we are to believe she now opposes it and will do something about the massive trade deficit it has helped create?