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28 Mar 2016, 1:18 pm

If a world leader cheats on their spouse, that's their business, and it does not necessarily affect how they run the country.

Actually, that's pretty much the attitude here in Canada. The Prime Minister may not have even had sex his whole life for all we know, and we don't really care if he has or not. :P



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28 Mar 2016, 1:30 pm

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They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.


You've stated yourself the reason they'll never be persuaded to do that. If someone goes about merrily slaughtering people they meet on the street with a cleaver, with a clear conscience because they see nothing wrong with it, will you accept that you can't force your belief that it's wrong on them and have to let them live as they think they should, true to their belief system?

They are slaughtering sentient beings, so no, I wouldn't condone that...



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28 Mar 2016, 1:36 pm

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They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...



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28 Mar 2016, 1:43 pm

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senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see from ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time. BTW, babies in the womb can feel emotions and all sorts of pain, as shown by the facial expressions of the babies' reaction to the music played outside the wombs of those two women. You can't feel anything if someone kills you in your sleep. Does that mean mommy and daddy can kill their kid when he/she is sleeping when the child is too much of a "burden?"



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28 Mar 2016, 1:47 pm

senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
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pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see form ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time.

I don't even know where to begin, so I'll simply say your so called facts are false...



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28 Mar 2016, 2:49 pm

senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see from ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time. BTW, babies in the womb can feel emotions and all sorts of pain, as shown by the facial expressions of the babies' reaction to the music played outside the wombs of those two women. You can't feel anything if someone kills you in your sleep. Does that mean mommy and daddy can kill their kid when he/she is sleeping when the child is too much of a "burden?"


Since you don't have a uterus, it's a good thing you will never have to make the choice to murder anyone in your womb, then. That choice has been taken away from you by your G-d/Nature. He's looking out for you that way. :thumright:


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28 Mar 2016, 3:00 pm

wilburforce wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see from ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time. BTW, babies in the womb can feel emotions and all sorts of pain, as shown by the facial expressions of the babies' reaction to the music played outside the wombs of those two women. You can't feel anything if someone kills you in your sleep. Does that mean mommy and daddy can kill their kid when he/she is sleeping when the child is too much of a "burden?"


Since you don't have a uterus, it's a good thing you will never have to make the choice to murder anyone in your womb, then. That choice has been taken away from you by your G-d/Nature. He's looking out for you that way. :thumright:



Unfortunately for you, abortion rates are declining despite the legality of abortion. I guess women realize that you can be liberated without being selfish.



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28 Mar 2016, 3:15 pm

wilburforce wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
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They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see from ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time. BTW, babies in the womb can feel emotions and all sorts of pain, as shown by the facial expressions of the babies' reaction to the music played outside the wombs of those two women. You can't feel anything if someone kills you in your sleep. Does that mean mommy and daddy can kill their kid when he/she is sleeping when the child is too much of a "burden?"


Since you don't have a uterus, it's a good thing you will never have to make the choice to murder anyone in your womb, then. That choice has been taken away from you by your G-d/Nature. He's looking out for you that way. :thumright:

Your post is a mishmash that makes no sense to me...



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28 Mar 2016, 4:16 pm

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Unfortunately for you, abortion rates are declining despite the legality of abortion. I guess women realize that you can be liberated without being selfish.


How is it unfortunate for me (or anyone) that abortion rates are declining--since abortions are legal, if the rates are going down that means fewer unwanted pregnancies are happening in the first place. I believe this can be attributed to better sex education and the availability of birth control. I fail to see how any of these things are unfortunate for me.


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28 Mar 2016, 4:27 pm

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How is it unfortunate for me (or anyone) that abortion rates are declining--since abortions are legal, if the rates are going down that means fewer unwanted pregnancies are happening in the first place. I believe this can be attributed to better sex education and the availability of birth control. I fail to see how any of these things are unfortunate for me.


It is definitely to do width sex education, I agree.

In fact the rate of teenage pregnancy has dramatically declined over the last 20 years in the UK. It wasn't traditional family values that did that.



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In fact the rate of teenage pregnancy has dramatically declined over the last 20 years in the UK. It wasn't traditional family values that did that.


Pregnancy generally has declined amongst the white British population. It's among many non-whites and immigrant groups where it's still high.



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Pregnancy generally has declined amongst the white British population. It's among many non-whites and immigrant groups where it's still high.


It isn't that high. And it it isn't that high in many of the counties the come from. The average number kids in a country like Bangladesh is 2.

It is a bit higher in Sub-Saharan Africa but not nearly as high as it is perceived.



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28 Mar 2016, 6:38 pm

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They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.


You've stated yourself the reason they'll never be persuaded to do that. If someone goes about merrily slaughtering people they meet on the street with a cleaver, with a clear conscience because they see nothing wrong with it, will you accept that you can't force your belief that it's wrong on them and have to let them live as they think they should, true to their belief system?

They are slaughtering sentient beings, so no, I wouldn't condone that...


And abortion slaughters fetuses, so they won't condone it. You may think your standard makes a difference and theirs doesn't, but they think the opposite. Therefore, no rational, mutual understanding will ever happen and neither side will just let the other live according to their beliefs. Whether either side is "right" in any kind of "objective" sense is of no practical consequence. Only force will determine who gets their way, which is unsurprisingly what's always happened so far.


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28 Mar 2016, 7:10 pm

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They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.


You've stated yourself the reason they'll never be persuaded to do that. If someone goes about merrily slaughtering people they meet on the street with a cleaver, with a clear conscience because they see nothing wrong with it, will you accept that you can't force your belief that it's wrong on them and have to let them live as they think they should, true to their belief system?

They are slaughtering sentient beings, so no, I wouldn't condone that...


And abortion slaughters fetuses, so they won't condone it. You may think your standard makes a difference and theirs doesn't, but they think the opposite. Therefore, no rational, mutual understanding will ever happen and neither side will just let the other live according to their beliefs. Whether either side is "right" in any kind of "objective" sense is of no practical consequence. Only force will determine who gets their way, which is unsurprisingly what's always happened so far.

And you're wrong again...



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28 Mar 2016, 8:49 pm

wilburforce wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see from ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time. BTW, babies in the womb can feel emotions and all sorts of pain, as shown by the facial expressions of the babies' reaction to the music played outside the wombs of those two women. You can't feel anything if someone kills you in your sleep. Does that mean mommy and daddy can kill their kid when he/she is sleeping when the child is too much of a "burden?"


Since you don't have a uterus, it's a good thing you will never have to make the choice to murder anyone in your womb, then. That choice has been taken away from you by your G-d/Nature. He's looking out for you that way. :thumright:

What's your point? Look, I don't condone abortion [unless needed to save the mother's life when the fetus is a rodef i.e. pursuer] the same way I don't condone other types of murder or stealing. If there was a horrible famine in another country and a mother there chose to ate her kids, I would understand the pain she and the people in that country are going through, but I would NOT condone her decision to eat her kids. Even though we're privileged enough not to have to go through that [no I don't mean privileged as an insult even though "Progressives" use it as an insult and to shut down discussion constantly], I think we can all agree that her "choice" to eat her kids is wrong. So too with abortion, I think taking the life of another [helpless] human being who does not threaten your life is wrong, period. And I don't have to have a uterus to see that.



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28 Mar 2016, 8:57 pm

pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
senquin wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
pcuser wrote:
They may be innocent, but they are not sentient at all. Since there is no God, they don't have a soul. When seen in that light, it makes perfect sense...


None of that matters to someone who believes that life is sacred, and that life begins at conception.

They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

What about forcing your belief system on the baby who is chopped to pieces or has his/her heart poisoned? Here's what science says about the baby in the womb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kDKqCa4Ec

Were I a woman, I would argue the baby isn't sentient and it comes down to the woman choosing her body over a non sentient being. And if you are referring to the false videos about planned parenthood, they are false and few if any fall into that kind of an area. I say few if any because, I'm not familiar with any of those supposed procedures. They are alleged, but I've seen no evidence of it, unless you count Carly Fiorina's fabrications as evidence. Also, just because it's on the Discovery channel doesn't make it true...

I love how far pro-aborts go to deny reality. First of all, those PP videos are not "false" whatever the heck that means. They are authentic videos that expose PP for selling body parts. Second off, the link I cited has not even talked about abortion. It talked about the reaction of different babies in the womb to different forms of music. So it inevitably showed that the baby in the womb is indeed a human life. Yes, I'd take what the Discovery Channel [not a Conservative or right-wing site] over what you say any day. You could even see form ultrasound the different babies in the wombs had to different types of music being played as well. But of course, pro-aborts and leftists like you love to deny reality when it is inconvenient to leftism, which is about all the time.

I don't even know where to begin, so I'll simply say your so called facts are false...

You don't know where to begin because you don't know what to say other than "so I'll simply say your so called facts are false." How are they false? Give me one piece of evidence that debunks anything I said in that post. Do you leftists know how to use actual data to support a point other than throwing out random statistics [like the so-called wage gap or the so-called 97% of scientists who believe that man-made global warming will destroy the world] and guilt tripping people to blindly believe whatever random numbers you throw? Do you know how to use data and evidence to support your point? Are you leftist progressives able to do that or is that a foreign concept to you people? Give me one piece of evidence that debunks what I said. I already gave a link about a study that was done about how fetuses react to different types of music. Yet even studies like those are too threatening to you left-wing Progressive Fascist pro-aborts because it inevitably shows the fact that you people try so hard to deny: the fetus is a human being. Or are the people behind the Discovery Channel documentary [which does not even mention the issue of abortion at all] part of the anti-choice right-wing conspiracy Republican war on women that only exists in the minds of Democrat left-wing Progressive Fascists? So pathetic that all you can say is "so I'll simply say your so called facts are false." Again, how are they false? Give me real evidence, which I hope is not too foreign to you left-wing Progressives.