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False equivalence.

Life offers plenty of opportunities to act courageously, even without wars and disasters. Bonnie can find a nontoxic hero.

My way of masculinity doesn't involve caring about people with stupid opinions about how well I fit their ideals. Seems true to the concept, if untraditional.

Tech, my contempt for the way incels comply in their own devaluation makes it difficult enough to talk with them, but then they want to drag me down, too? #basta

I don't for a minute condone or give bad behavior a pass, let alone conspiracy to harm women or men.

I think my own interest is mostly in how a lot people did get blindsided by this, had no idea what it was, and in that blind reaction seemed to fall back on some rather Judao-Christian styles of modeling the situation. When there is a 'born-bad' explanation it tends to infer a sort of deus ex machina, almost in the same way as when people want to other the elites by considering that they must be part of some sort of alien bloodline and thus rather than being a fundamentally human problem, coming as a side effect of the stacking of human problems, people can short-circuit the analysis by sort of just saying it all came from outer space.

Responsibility for a lot of things tend to be circular and I think the most nonproductive thing people tend to do is see other people's BS as evil while completely ignoring their own. it's also really difficult to persuade people that more pervasive factors accumulate in such ways to cause very vivid and riveting events. I think the problem is we personally benefit from not seeing how such things get caused because we don't have to see the cost of what we do to get by or climb the ladder in our own lives, in that sense hypocrisy might very well be an evolutionary adaptation and it's not a problem where a particular organism and its family's survival is the only true north which is how nature tends.

Feminism also could provide a lot of solutions in terms of trying rake out the cultural effects of toxic masculinity but I think, for it to be a solution rather than the usual sort of thing that breaks almost as much as it fixes, it would need to have high quality understanding of what masculinity is or isn't and how it can be gainfully restructured rather than simply brow-beating it. As of right now I'm still not so sure it understands what femininity is very well and it might be getting side-tracked too much from that project by claims that gender's purely a social construct and if it took up that project it would also have to defend itself against questions such as how gathering such knowledge or understanding isn't some type of nested anti-trans bigotry.

The current climate doesn't seem like an easy one for people to make sense in and it gets all the more complicated if you're in an activist current and having to constantly dodge the deposits and dogmas of your own subgroups.

What the hell you are talking about? Check her lyrics; the female character in the song wants a hero like Herculus, a white knight on a steed, who’s strong and fast.

Yes, she was singing for the typical masculine macho hero. Like it or not.

Are you Italian?

The World Cup this year is sooooo exciting and amazing.

when it comes to food, they've won all the world cups there are.

nom nom nom

My husband was single and still a virgin when we met. I would only define someone as an incel if they were a misogynist and blamed women. Being single and never being laid doesn't always make you an incel IMO.

My husband was taken advantage by two women because they took him out just to get to another man and guess what, he didn't go hating women, he only thought those two ladies were just jerks.

Their cuisine is one of my favorites, but not the #1- depending on the mood.

Their ice cream though...*drools*

Watching Japan vs Senegal now, I am rooting for Japan. the last standing Asian country. Go Japan! (they will lose).

we're their neighbours and there's more Italian food here on the shelves than ours....and i'm not complaining!

lol then fingers crossed for japan! i wonder by what miraculous fate we managed to beat Argentina 3:0. Maybe our team has some lucky shoes or something.

I wonder how it'll go on Tuesday when we'll play with Iceland, whether these shoes will be working again.

Without us, I doubt it.

Hahahha

ha...ha-....huh?

Note that Demi Levato is a feminist celeb and anti-cyber bullying activist.

Aka. the "Trump Treatment", but genderflipped.

That's a whole other topic in its own right - ie. natural hypocrisy between the genders, ie. one can grab the others junk or use the other's restroom at a crowded bar without getting arrested. In short I don't think that can be expunged and even if it could it would mean both genders would be on eggshells and we'd see replacement birth rates plummet even further as even more people would stay single or go their own way to dodge the complexity.

I might sound like a dinosaur saying this but I think the debate over whether it's a social construct needs to fade back and we need to spend more time figuring out how each of the two major modes (male and female) of the bimodal distribution effectively interact with a proper eye on what they can change about themselves and what nature simply won't let them change.

That's one reason that I've tried to distinguish between the people with the problem, incel terrorists, and the people who should step up and solve the problem, self-identified incels. Failing that, since people see it as a male problem (and never seem to notice when I point out how women also instill toxic masculinity in boys), men also have a stake in stepping up to rectify matters.

In a way, it resembles the way the black activists I follow talk about people being colonized, as a mental framework. Consider men who have felt influenced to act aggressively, disregard their own feelings and the feelings of other creatures, and learn a bizarre system of whose honor to protect, and whose to disregard. Some of us deconstructed that, and developed our own ways of being men, but other people double down on dogma when confronted with objective facts. I don't think that men as a group have the tools to deal with toxic masculinity. Incels seem suffused with the stuff, so I don't expect much from that category of men in dealing with their radicals. I'm doing what I can to deal with it, and you've seen what I get to put up with as a result.

I'd hope your husband would have something that other involuntarily celibate men could learn, in order to avoid radicalization. By contrast, I see a lot of posts in L&D which push people in the other direction. As a web community, we should think more about this new development with regard to how that content gets moderated.

Before I met my wife, I was jerked around by a woman who I now know had Borderline Personality Disorder. Like your husband, I never allowed myself to think she was representative of all women. Far from it, my wife is the polar opposite of her.