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25 Jan 2020, 1:49 am

but then you'd be far away from the people.... :chin:


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25 Jan 2020, 1:51 am

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but then you'd be far away from the people.... :chin:

up in heaven, about as far from the maddening world as one can get.



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25 Jan 2020, 7:35 pm

Remind me never to live in Oklahoma.


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25 Jan 2020, 10:26 pm

some OK cities are paying folks from elsewhere, to move to OK and live there. if they hafta pay ya to live there, what does that say about such a place?



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26 Jan 2020, 12:29 am

auntblabby wrote:
some OK cities are paying folks from elsewhere, to move to OK and live there. if they hafta pay ya to live there, what does that say about such a place?


Maybe if someone could invent a tornado repellent...


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27 Jan 2020, 7:10 pm

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But that if a man won't work, he shouldn't eat.

You seem to have a fixation on able-bodied men who refuse to work. Is that all the left stands for? Giving disability pensions to people who aren't really disabled? What about the able-bodied man who wants to work but can't find a job straight away? Does he deserve welfare?


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28 Jan 2020, 2:23 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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But that if a man won't work, he shouldn't eat.

You seem to have a fixation on able-bodied men who refuse to work. Is that all the left stands for? Giving disability pensions to people who aren't really disabled? What about the able-bodied man who wants to work but can't find a job straight away? Does he deserve welfare?



That quote applies only to the person who could work, but has chosen not to. I think it's time limited though. They can be on welfare for X amount of time, then it times out and they must wait X amount of time before they can sign back up. Eventually all government wells do and should dry up, or else there won't be resources to help the ones who would work, but can't (too young, too old, too sick).


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28 Jan 2020, 4:20 am

There is not enough jobs for everyone and the unemployment rate is high in most countries to keep inflation rates and interest rates down.
Unemployed(no work) and underemployed(not enough hours) results in an unemployment rate higher than the official rates governments report.
Unskilled manual labour jobs and professional skilled jobs have been shifted off shore or being made redundant with technology.



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28 Jan 2020, 5:01 am

rod serling wrote about the obsolescence of most human workers in at least one twizone episode.



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28 Jan 2020, 5:09 am

auntblabby wrote:
rod serling wrote about the obsolescence of most human workers in at least one twizone episode.


It’s been a theme in speculative works of both fiction and non-fiction for well over a century: it was one of the concerns of the Luddites in this country, Marx also wrote about it.



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28 Jan 2020, 5:15 am

Karamazov wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
rod serling wrote about the obsolescence of most human workers in at least one twizone episode.


It’s been a theme in speculative works of both fiction and non-fiction for well over a century: it was one of the concerns of the Luddites in this country, Marx also wrote about it.


(Can’t get the edit button to work on my phone: so self quoting instead)

Just occurred to me:
As a long running theme/concern/phenomenon it seems to loosely echo the plebeian response to mass influx of slaves during the territorial expansion of the Roman Republic (at least as far as I remember Livy’s account)



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28 Jan 2020, 5:20 am

the mean competition of life keeps dragging humanity down. 2 steps forward, 2 steps backward, only once in a few generations can we make a net step forward.



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28 Jan 2020, 5:22 am

Politics aside, how can we convince employers to not automate, not outsource, and quit using applicant tracking systems.

There are tons of highly skilled workers who are shut out for not being the "unicorns" employers are wanting.


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28 Jan 2020, 5:26 am

a better "deal maker" than the phony in charge now, is required. somebody who is one of the oligarchs who has the respect of the other oligarchs, a modern-day FDR, is needed, who can make a deal with his fellow bosses [to save capitalism from its own worst self once again], in exchange for some ungodly dirty thing to further enrich them, to at least consistently remember to throw a few crumbs at the rest of us drones and to swear upon their ill-gotten gains to never usurp democracy. a lot to hope for, yes.



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28 Jan 2020, 5:29 am

Karamazov wrote:
(Can’t get the edit button to work on my phone: so self quoting instead)


try turning the phone 90 degrees (landscape mode if you're browsing in portrait mode)


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28 Jan 2020, 6:31 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
(Can’t get the edit button to work on my phone: so self quoting instead)


try turning the phone 90 degrees (landscape mode if you're browsing in portrait mode)


Thanks: I’ll give that a go next time it comes up.