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17 Nov 2020, 4:54 am

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Oh okay, but somehow the defund the police protests, became about the election. Why did it become about the election if it wasn't because of Trump, as oppose to another President being in office?

the authoritarians/racists took the defund the police types as an affront which at least in part drove their enthusiasm at the polls for their hero trumpoleeney.

Now not so enthusiastic....the MAGA "hot air" balloon is somewhat deflated

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17 Nov 2020, 5:03 am

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auntblabby wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay, but somehow the defund the police protests, became about the election. Why did it become about the election if it wasn't because of Trump, as oppose to another President being in office?

the authoritarians/racists took the defund the police types as an affront which at least in part drove their enthusiasm at the polls for their hero trumpoleeney.

Now not so enthusiastic....the MAGA "hot air" balloon is somewhat deflated

it seems a record number of 'em voted for their man, 71+ million. the only thing that outpolled them was the record 78 million who voted for biden/harris. the authoritarian types are still a powerful force as they took senate and house seats from the democrats.

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17 Nov 2020, 5:10 am

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Oh okay, but somehow the defund the police protests, became about the election. Why did it become about the election if it wasn't because of Trump, as oppose to another President being in office?

Having a strong opinion on the police brutality issue makes one very likely to have a strong opinion on politicians approaching it particular ways.

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17 Nov 2020, 10:45 am

This still sounds like manipulation of the people by the media .... which was a traditionally a enemy to trumps election campaign from the start .

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17 Nov 2020, 10:49 am

Jakki wrote:

This still sounds like manipulation of the people by the media .... which was a traditionally a enemy to trumps election campaign from the start .

Liars and bullies do not like having their lies and bullying exposed. Mr. Trump uses tactics that allowed him to thrive behind the closed doors of the corporate boardroom, but that exposed him as a liar and a bully when he used them during his tenure as President.

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17 Nov 2020, 10:51 am

short of a total nationwide revulsion and repudiation of the GOP, the danger can't be said to be past.

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17 Nov 2020, 12:55 pm

magz wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay, but somehow the defund the police protests, became about the election. Why did it become about the election if it wasn't because of Trump, as oppose to another President being in office?

Having a strong opinion on the police brutality issue makes one very likely to have a strong opinion on politicians approaching it particular ways.

But I didn't think that switching President's would decrease police brutality. Brutal cops are still going to do what they want regardless of who is President, or so I thought.

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17 Nov 2020, 1:06 pm

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But I didn't think that switching President's would decrease police brutality. Brutal cops are still going to do what they want regardless of who is President, or so I thought.

The police reform that would really adress the problem is a long and laborous process.
The president can probably support it in various ways - or use his power to sabotage the effort.
Yes, it will take much more than one election to make a real difference.

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17 Nov 2020, 1:16 pm

Oh okay, but why make so much of a big deal, protesting and rioting over an election if it will take a lot more to make a difference?

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17 Nov 2020, 1:48 pm

Protesting and rioting is a sign people are very unhappy with status quo.
Sometimes it helps the changes start or proceed.

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17 Nov 2020, 1:56 pm

Oh okay, but I just didn't think it would do any good, since bad cops are still going to want to be bad cops, regardless of what protesters think of them, or so I thought.

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17 Nov 2020, 3:22 pm

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Yes that number of 71 million is very worrying. It will remain a legacy that the US has a long road to rehabilitating their masses from the wrath of populist ethnocentric nationalism

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17 Nov 2020, 3:45 pm

cyberdad wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Yes that number of 71 million is very worrying. It will remain a legacy that the US has a long road to rehabilitating their masses from the wrath of populist ethnocentric nationalism

Trumpism was manufactured by a faction of the 1% to deflect attention from their fleecing of the working class. The masses aren't the problem. They are just brainwashed. The true enemies are those funding this BS fake populism. They're still out there if you follow the money.

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17 Nov 2020, 3:49 pm

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This still sounds like manipulation of the people by the media .... which was a traditionally a enemy to trumps election campaign from the start .

You don't have to watch mainstream media to see that Trump is a sociopathic narcisssist. Also, a faction of the wealthy "elite" supports him. Plenty of wealthy people have given funding to Trump because they want fascism. They are afraid of a true populist uprising, so they do the bait and switch and counter it with fake populism.

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17 Nov 2020, 3:57 pm

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You don't have to watch mainstream media to see that Trump is a sociopathic narcisssist.

For this purpose, I recommend his official Twitter channel.

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17 Nov 2020, 4:23 pm

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Oh okay, but I just didn't think it would do any good, since bad cops are still going to want to be bad cops, regardless of what protesters think of them, or so I thought.

Political change has the potential to reduce how beholden cities are to police unions and make it easier to fire violent thugs who hide behind their badge to commit assault and murder.

It doesn't promise improvement, but it at least has the potential.

I'd imagine in some communities it might only be a matter of time until people start targeting the offenders knowing that the criminal justice system will not hold those criminals accountable. It would be terrible for that to be the path things go down, but if the need for police reform is ignored it might be inevitable that other means start to become appealing to some.

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