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18 Aug 2021, 6:46 pm

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Considering he's not Trump, and that's what I wanted? Yeah. Also, the headlines were always lit up with all the bad things Donald said or did. At least Biden has yet to do anything horrible. He's boring, but maybe boring is what we need right now. Things feel normal again, and I'm good with normal. Well...normal other than the pandemic, but considering the other side of the political spectrum is ironically the reason we're still in the mess we're in, I don't blame Biden for that.


You can blame the corruption and self-interest of the political aristocracy, on either side of the political divide, for the Trump phenomenon.
I am sure I have said this less than a million times. 8)
Alright, in that case I guess I blame the man himself for the phenomenon centered around him and all it entails, as well as all involved in giving him the power he had, for the time he had it. Either way, I'm glad he's out. :roll: I'm also glad Donald's no longer being shoved down everyone's throats, and that we've gotten far more peace and quiet lately.


Trump is out of the picture.
Now that the Democrats are in, we can see one disaster after another.

Life is not simple.
It is difficult for both sides of the political fence.
Hyperpartisans would dissagree. 8)



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18 Aug 2021, 6:48 pm

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inept democrats are still better [less dangerous ] than trumpypartiers.


Tell it to the people trying to escape from Afghanistan.
Yes, I know, Trump did the same to the Kurds.

So many politicians.
So few needles in the paws. 8)



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18 Aug 2021, 6:50 pm

NO, in fact I didn't vote for him in the first place. I'm a Trump voter, and now I'm proud of that because I have no blood on my hands over this.



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18 Aug 2021, 6:52 pm

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inept democrats are still better [less dangerous ] than trumpypartiers.


The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.


America is going down the tube because of its internal/social divisions.
The Chinese, Russians and Iranians are in raptures. 8O



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18 Aug 2021, 6:55 pm

Biden might have the title of president, but I don't believe for a minute that he is in control.



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18 Aug 2021, 6:57 pm

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?

Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

[/devils_advocate]


Apparently, Uncle Joe didn't. :mrgreen:

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Biden admin denies claims they could predict Afghanistan collapse

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden ... vi-AANtgGX



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18 Aug 2021, 7:01 pm

joe would not be a go if trumpy weren't quite as bad as he was. if the dotard had deigned to throw the working class a bone or two, he would have been re-elected. but he thought he could $#!+ all over the people who voted for him and expect them to kiss his fat @$$, the height of his hubris. the disgusting thing is that despite that, most of his [original] voters STILL voted for him again.



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18 Aug 2021, 7:03 pm

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?

Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

[/devils_advocate]
Those who had money to pay rent should have and those unable should have worked something out. When they are evicted it will cast a long shadow on their future housing prospects.
When they are evicted, I envision a repeat of the Great Depression.

If only someone had acted more swiftly and decisively when the coronavirus was first detected in the United States...


Both administrations have failed miserably, yes. 8)

Look on the bright side, had Trump not stuffed up so badly in regard to the coronavirus, Trump probably would have romped in, based on economic performance.
Ironically, the pandemic helped the Democratic party to win the election. 8)



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18 Aug 2021, 7:05 pm

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joe would not be a go if trumpy weren't quite as bad as he was. if the dotard had deigned to throw the working class a bone or two, he would have been re-elected. but he thought he could $#!+ all over the people who voted for him and expect them to kiss his fat @$$, the height of his hubris. the disgusting thing is that despite that, most of his [original] voters STILL voted for him again.


Minority groups benefitted disproportionally because of Trump's focus on strengthening America's economy.
Please don't re-write history. 8)



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18 Aug 2021, 7:07 pm

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The road that led to Trump was paved by neoliberal policies, for which Biden was a major supporter. We'll only get someone worse than Trump down the road, if this country manages to survive another couple of decades.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment: How long have these tenants had to prepare for this day?  They knew it was coming; no one tried to hide it from them; so what have they done to assure themselves of having places to live?  Sure, Sleepy Joe could step in, socialize housing, and issue an edict that no one shall be homeless; but then what?

[/devils_advocate]
You'd have to ask them. I have no idea.  Biden won't do anything that even slightly smells of socialism.
So while we are safe from the evils of Socialism (for now), the Homeless Hordes will soon be roaming the streets.

Sad.


I wonder if the pandemic has anything to do with that? :scratch: :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2021, 7:08 pm

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Considering he's not Trump, and that's what I wanted? Yeah. Also, the headlines were always lit up with all the bad things Donald said or did. At least Biden has yet to do anything horrible. He's boring, but maybe boring is what we need right now. Things feel normal again, and I'm good with normal. Well...normal other than the pandemic, but considering the other side of the political spectrum is ironically the reason we're still in the mess we're in, I don't blame Biden for that.


How do you justify assigning blame to only the Rebublicans when both parties have equally supported the conflict in Afghanistan?


<cough> hyperpartisanship <cough> :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2021, 7:09 pm

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joe would not be a go if trumpy weren't quite as bad as he was. if the dotard had deigned to throw the working class a bone or two, he would have been re-elected. but he thought he could $#!+ all over the people who voted for him and expect them to kiss his fat @$$, the height of his hubris. the disgusting thing is that despite that, most of his [original] voters STILL voted for him again.


You really believe that? You seriously think Joe is doing all this because of Trump? Where the hell was Joe all through the Obama administration? Oh and those socialist people you're talking about? They eventually get big California homes. Nobody on the left really gives two rats behinds about the average joe. I know, I talk to a lot of socialists and blue collar workers. Sure, keep drinking that koolaid, but the ball is in Biden's court and right now he is playing badly. Very badly.



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18 Aug 2021, 7:11 pm

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Wasnt Afghanistan occupied by the Russian for a Very long time before they gave up.
So the Western forces thought that they could do better . Now what happens to all the women and children we were teaching and educating. Especially the ones that were not able to escape their own country. Anybody whom cooperated with the American occupation . Can you imagine ?
What their lives will be like . in their Very Real Lives . :skull:


The Amerians did a better job at handling the Taliban in part due to "Daisy Cutter" diplomacy. 8O



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18 Aug 2021, 7:13 pm

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Nobody on the left really gives two rats behinds about the average joe. I know, I talk to a lot of socialists and blue collar workers. Sure, keep drinking that koolaid, but the ball is in Biden's court and right now he is playing badly. Very badly.


You are entitled to your beliefs/opinions but please don't conflate socialism with leftism and progressive political values.

People on the right get similarly annoyed when we on the left side of politics conflate fascism with right wingers.



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18 Aug 2021, 7:16 pm

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^ I don't agree with many things Ron Paul has stated, nor do I subscribe entirely to libertarian ideology. But when someone is right, they're right.


Never a Truer word has been said. 8)

VegetableMan wrote:
Do you really want to go down this path again? You're attacking the source rather than the content.


I share your frustration.
It is a sort of ad hominem which is logical nonsense and an evasion of ethical discussion. 8)

What can you do? :shrug:



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18 Aug 2021, 7:17 pm

Except, I've met both socialists and leftist/progressivist and they seem to be in the same camp as far as I'm concerned. I've met a lot of progressivist who are closet communists and a lot of Bernie bros who claim they're socialist and progressivists. I also know given the $$$ these people would go full capitalists. Ever since 2012 I knew a socialist from Vienna and I have a friend who fled Venezuela recently for Colombia so I know a bit more than you realize about this subject matter. I've also been on DA for years and knew countless progressivists.