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01 Sep 2008, 5:29 pm

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Read his reply and see if it has anything to do with what you were saying.

Actually, it did. His posts about Creationism seem to split you and him into he-who-thinks-he-knows-everything and he-who-has-faith-that-God-knows-more-than-he-does.

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01 Sep 2008, 5:38 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

In the context, it was part of Jesus' reply to:

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

I see, the thing is, is that actually an unforgivable sin or is it was just an answer to the rep... I mean, pharisees? Because it's interesting that no mention of this in the OT, and would that mean that denying the Holy Trinity would be part of this 'unforgivable' sin? Suicide would make more sense, being the only unforgivable sin

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01 Sep 2008, 5:53 pm

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Suicide would make more sense, being the only unforgivable sin

If sin were a chronologically measured entity, yes. I see it as more qualitative in nature.

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01 Sep 2008, 5:57 pm

I think sin and virtue can be measured the same way, ie. both qualitative and quantitative.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:02 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Jesus is so important because His death saved mankind from eternal spiritual death, ie. hell. Jesus is the Redeemer of mankind and without Him our faith means nothing. Jesus is the New Adam, the New Covenant.

Not "New" Adam, Last Adam.

BTW, for Messianic Jews, the New Testament is called the Brit HaDashah, the New Covenant.

I thought Jesus is God himself in human form

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01 Sep 2008, 6:05 pm

Haliphron wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Not "New" Adam, Last Adam.

BTW, for Messianic Jews, the New Testament is called the Brit HaDashah, the New Covenant.

I thought Jesus is God himself in human form

Probably the human form would suggest that.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:14 pm

Haliphron wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Not "New" Adam, Last Adam.

BTW, for Messianic Jews, the New Testament is called the Brit HaDashah, the New Covenant.

I thought Jesus is God himself in human form

Jesus is God in human form. At least, that's the Christian belief.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:24 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Suicide would make more sense, being the only unforgivable sin

If sin were a chronologically measured entity, yes. I see it as more qualitative in nature.

Well, I think many would usually see sin as a chronological entity, because you will never be able to repent and confess your "sin" because you would be dead. In that sense.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:25 pm

greenblue wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Suicide would make more sense, being the only unforgivable sin

If sin were a chronologically measured entity, yes. I see it as more qualitative in nature.

Well, I think many would usually see sin as a chronological entity, because you will never be able to repent and confess your "sin" because you would be dead. In that sense.

And consisting of chemicals, that is the only way in which we can perceive time.

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01 Sep 2008, 10:34 pm

Since it is contended that there is life after death, what would that mean? Why could one not repent after seeing that all that Christians claim is true? Of course, if there is no life after death the whole business is meaningless. Does it mean a dead spirit has no means to think and change its viewpoint? What is this "life after death" all about?

Since the life before death is, at best, only a brief century or so and the life after death is eternity, why is this life before death given so much importance in religion? It is a negligible amount of time.

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01 Sep 2008, 10:59 pm

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Compared to eternity, a human lifespan is indeed paltry. But since our time on Earth is all the time we have to prove our worthiness/unworthiness of God's mercy, we'd best put it to the best use possible. Remember, it matters not how many good deeds we do if by good deeds alone no one may enter heaven. Jesus Christ will vouch for you and put in a good word with the Father if you ask nicely.

(The above statements assume that the reader is not atheist.)

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01 Sep 2008, 11:14 pm

But what kind of life after death will it be if one is chained to the short life one experiences on Earth? My personality has changed radically over the years of my life and the things I know and believe now are quite different ftom those I believed when I was a mere 20 or 30 years old. It takes time and experience to find out things and a thousand years of looking over my activities would no doubt give me an entirely new perspective on myself. Is one frozen into a point of view at the point of death. What a strange and terrible concept.

The idea that one must subjugate one's personality to a totalitarian regime to gain acceptance is no different than the worst systems of influence and ass-kissing now extant in the world of the living. If God knows everything there is no point of putting on false manners to gain acceptance. He must be well aware of what goes on in your head.

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01 Sep 2008, 11:18 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Sand wrote:

You realize that the Universe as we know it CANNOT exist in a state like this for eternity! Since time in our Universe does indeed appear to have a beginning, what does time even mean when it comes to God and his *Realm*? Just exactly where Is Heaven?

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01 Sep 2008, 11:21 pm

Obviously heaven and the concept of God exists outside our known universe. I have no argument with that since those concepts make no sense at all within the realm of our universe.

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01 Sep 2008, 11:26 pm

Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms in that they don't correspond to anything in the physical, observable universe. You could say that Heaven and Hell are just different kinds of consciousness.

Consciousness = Realm.

Anyone read The Tibetan Book of the Dead or Dante's Divine Comedy?

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01 Sep 2008, 11:26 pm

Sand wrote:

Obviously heaven and the concept of God exists outside our known universe. I have no argument with that since those concepts make no sense at all within the realm of our universe.

God is immaterial or transcendent. The concept of His being is not so imperceptible.

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