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14 Oct 2011, 7:44 am

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There have been plans to simplify the tax code in the past. One I remember involved being able to do your taxes on a card length form. That simplified card ended up increasing in size pretty quick. I personally think a simplification of the tax code is a pipe dream, regardless if there's good intent behind it. Then there's the simple fact that the poor would get stuck with a tax bill they can ill afford to pay under Cain's plan.

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Here is how you do it.

Line 1. What is your total income from all sources.
Line 2. 0.25 x Line 1

Remit amount on Line 2. Thank you.

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I like it cuz capital gains are then taxed at the same rate as all income.
Here is a similar one I like a bit better.
Line 1. What is your total income from all sources - 35,000.
Line 2. 0.25 x Line 1
Remit or receive (if negative) the amount on Line 2. Thank you.

it is from Friedman his answer to the moral hazard question was
I don't care what happens to poor people.


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14 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

There have been plans to simplify the tax code in the past. One I remember involved being able to do your taxes on a card length form. That simplified card ended up increasing in size pretty quick. I personally think a simplification of the tax code is a pipe dream, regardless if there's good intent behind it. Then there's the simple fact that the poor would get stuck with a tax bill they can ill afford to pay under Cain's plan.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Here is how you do it.

Line 1. What is your total income from all sources.
Line 2. 0.25 x Line 1

Remit amount on Line 2. Thank you.

ruveyn


I like it cuz capital gains are then taxed at the same rate as all income.
Here is a similar one I like a bit better.
Line 1. What is your total income from all sources - 35,000.
Line 2. 0.25 x Line 1
Remit or receive (if negative) the amount on Line 2. Thank you.

it is from Friedman his answer to the moral hazard question was
I don't care what happens to poor people.


I agree. I was going to make that correction in line 1 myself. We cannot tax the very poorest or they would starve.

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14 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

My God, ruveyn! You have a heart! :lol:

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14 Oct 2011, 11:13 am

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My God, ruveyn! You have a heart! :lol:

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Now if I only had a brain, I would be perfect.

We would hardly have a working society if there were hunger riots going on all the time. It is just a matter of good sense to make sure all able bodied adult folk are able to make a living and not fear for their next meal.

This has nothing to do with sloppy gooey sentimentality or ichy poo altruism. It is simply a recognition of what it takes to make a society of humans work. I do not have to -love- my neighbor to see to it that he can earn sufficiently to live and perhaps even prosper. It is my material interests to do so. Rational selfishness can barely be distinguished from love and charity at the social level. The difference is only in the sentiment.

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14 Oct 2011, 11:26 am

ruveyn wrote:
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My God, ruveyn! You have a heart! :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Now if I only had a brain, I would be perfect.

We would hardly have a working society if there were hunger riots going on all the time. It is just a matter of good sense to make sure all able bodied adult folk are able to make a living and not fear for their next meal.

This has nothing to do with sloppy gooey sentimentality or ichy poo altruism. It is simply a recognition of what it takes to make a society of humans work. I do not have to -love- my neighbor to see to it that he can earn sufficiently to live and perhaps even prosper. It is my material interests to do so. Rational selfishness can barely be distinguished from love and charity at the social level. The difference is only in the sentiment.

ruveyn


You do have a very fine brain, my friend!
And whether you admit it or not, I think deep down, you do in fact have icky poo poo altruism, you old softy. :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

[quote="Kraichgauer"
And whether you admit it or not, I think deep down, you do in fact have icky poo poo altruism, you old softy. :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer[/quote]

Not so. My Aspie self is hard wired to behave like my hero Spock. Logic, logic, logic. I have joined the Movement of Kolinahr. My wife and I are even mind melded. We finish each other's sentences.

Live long and prosper.

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14 Oct 2011, 3:14 pm

ruveyn wrote:
[quote="Kraichgauer"
And whether you admit it or not, I think deep down, you do in fact have icky poo poo altruism, you old softy. :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Not so. My Aspie self is hard wired to behave like my hero Spock. Logic, logic, logic. I have joined the Movement of Kolinahr. My wife and I are even mind melded. We finish each other's sentences.

Live long and prosper.

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ruveyn[/quote]

And yet, did not Kirk say of Spock at his funeral at the end of The Wrath Of Khan, "Of all the souls I have met in the universe, his was the most human (paraphrase on my part)."
Even Vulcans can feel, even if they like to think they don't.

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14 Oct 2011, 3:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
[quote="Kraichgauer"
And whether you admit it or not, I think deep down, you do in fact have icky poo poo altruism, you old softy. :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Not so. My Aspie self is hard wired to behave like my hero Spock. Logic, logic, logic. I have joined the Movement of Kolinahr. My wife and I are even mind melded. We finish each other's sentences.

Live long and prosper.

\\//

ruveyn


And yet, did not Kirk say of Spock at his funeral at the end of The Wrath Of Khan, "Of all the souls I have met in the universe, his was the most human (paraphrase on my part)."
Even Vulcans can feel, even if they like to think they don't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer[/quote]

But of course as usual Kirk was talking out of his ass.


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14 Oct 2011, 4:45 pm

The one uniting factor of all autistic people that all people don't know about is that somebody eventually makes an oblique parody of themselves and then we all end up talking about Star Trek or Dr Who.