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^^^
or even just aspies with goats

Absolutely!

My family of four lives on a single income. We have a mortgage, a broken-down old car, and superannuated appliances which I am glad I have the mechanical skills to repair, because we can rarely afford repairmen. We are not rich. Our old insurance was "too good," so it is going away, and we are switching to a plan which costs more and delivers less. We have a friend, a widow, who supports her three children by working as a cleaning lady; she already couldn't afford insurance at pre-ACA rates, but now has to somehow either buy even more expensive insurance or pay a hefty fine for not being able to afford it.

Rage all you like, put words in my mouth, knock down straw men left and right: it doesn't matter. Obamacare is screwing over thousands of ordinary, non-rich people, and the horror stories are coming out in droves, all over the place. And those of us who actually read the proposed bill, way back when, are trying not to say "I told you so" too often.

why do you continue to omit the fact that for people who make between 100% and 400% of poverty level [roughly a maximum of $90k for a family] there WILL BE A SUBSIDY to prevent you from paying more than 13% of your income in premiums? are you telling me that you are pulling down more than $90k?

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_ ... obamacare/

Anyone here actually been able to sign up?

I look at the ACA from a more utilitarian viewpoint. In the long run, tens of millions of people who would not have had any option for health care other than the emergency room will now be able to receive preventive and screening tests. The insurance companies will have tens of millions of new customers. Medicare has been expanded to cover millions of people (who live in states where it wasn't blocked by Republican led state legislatures). The state run exchanges for the most part have been able to list insurance plans at a significantly lower cost (again, where state Republicans have not done everything in their power to limit the number of insurers in their state). The ACA raises the minimum standards that must be followed by insurance companies. The Act is designed to be self funding (in the long term), and will reduce the amount of tax money that must be spent to cover unpaid emergency room visits that will not be paid for by those who rack up those charges. Plus with preventive care now being mandatory coverage for all insurance, the amount of costly medical issues that become much worse because people can't afford to see a doctor will decline. To be honest, if the SCOTUS hadn't stripped out many provisions and put them into the hands of the states (like Medicare expansion) and put other parts into the hands of the federal government instead of the states (health exchanges), it would already be nearing a self-funded point. If they hadn't delayed some of the requirements for businesses it would be there already.

Yes, there will be some people that are affected negatively in the short term (more so in states where Republicans are trying to make it as ineffective as possible), but many, many more will be much better off because of it. My own insurance rates through work have actually gone down as of January 1st (although only by a few dollars), and they actually cover more and have eliminated co-pays on all preventive care and regular screenings.

And for those of you who are cranky about the problems with the federal health exchange bugs, remember that the federal government was putting the exchanges into the hands of the states. With 35 states declining to take any responsibility, the feds had to scramble to cobble together exchanges for 35 states in a relatively short period of time. It will probably be a while until all of the bugs are worked out.

In the long run, they are already admitting that as many OR MORE will be uninsured under the ACA.

All the ACA is is another WELFARE program. Look at how it is designed. Not one health care provider was involved in its designed, but they did involve those who run WELFARE programs. There will be coverage for those who are poor but not already on Medicaid. For those who didn't have health insurance, most will still not have it, but be paying a tax for not having it, and many who have it are going to lose it if they can't afford the higher costs for lower quality coverage.

F..k Obamacare!
They can take their individual mandate and shove it up their a$$!

Yes, I successfully submitted an application with the help of the CHAS clinic. I have yet to hear back from them for the response.

Who exactly is saying this?



Um, where do you get the idea that most uninsured will continue to remain so? And as for the whole welfare program issue, the ACA is designed to save taxpayer dollars, so what exactly are your concerns about helping people?

I am having some difficulty following some of your posts in this thread. Can you expound some on your viewpoints?

Please do your own research. It's out there plain as day unless you are deliberately screening out any news source you don't agree with.

This isn't just opinions from haters....the numbers have been run...many by the government's own people showing this isn't going to work.

yes, i have signed up about a week ago, it took 3 weeks due to the fact that somebody stole my SSN and used it for themselves. that is a problem.

I have done my own research. I have listened to or read the arguments by both sides. Both are exaggerating their claims. But I would have to say that the pro-ACA side is a lot closer to fact (by comparison).

citation needed.


The ACA was practically written by the insurance companies, many of which are staffed and run by medical personnel of various types.

You claimed that a cleaning lady would suffer and now suggest that others will get free stuff. Calm down and pick a position. There is no question that a cleaning lady would have access to subsidies for exchange insurance. Probably very good subsidies. She's very likely the person you are complaining about getting "free" things even though it won't be entirely free.

Don't pretend to empathize with the poor while you whine that they are getting a break. That doesnt even make sense.