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I don't think anybody is seriously talking about retroactively taking away citizenship, at least I hope not but the idea of moving away from jus soli immigration policy isn't that crazy, citizenship should be based on who your parents are and this is how every country Europe determines it so I think it is fair considering that considerable strain unchecked immigration has on our already beleaguered welfare system. Resources are limited and I think this country owes it to help its own citizens who are suffering before inviting in a whole bunch more needy people. This doesn't bother big business who desires cheap labor and live in some gated castle but it disproportionately punishes the underclass of this country.

The wall is kind of dumb but overwhelming majority of 'the people' demand it and it can be done fairly quick, its cheaper than a lot of the dumb stuff they've spent on over the decades so whatever. At least when it is done, we can tangibly see what we got for our money which isn't to common with government spending. Mass deportation is also something most seemingly support, I don't think it is feasible and if it is I don't know if I'd want to see the country that we'd turn into to achieve that. I think deporting violent criminals and gang members is fair but I don't think it is worth it for somebody productive who wants to stay and integrate into this country.

These work programs are honestly the real problem, most illegals get here just by overstaying their visas and there are a lot of these foreign guest worker programs that essentially just rob jobs from American unemployed. Like the H-1B visa is basically a program that is suppose to allow companies to temporarily recruit skilled workers from overseas for a term of employment of like 3 of so with this specific company and if they lose that job they get deported. What has happened is that all these tech companies and whatever in Silicon Valley have basically been using the H-1B to enslave Indian tech workers at way below the going wage/benefits. There is no labor shortage in technology in America, all they companies are trying to do is depress wages and screw workers. We need to manage who immigrates to this country, we should have some standards. Most immigrants in the US like abject poverty, poverty is killing this country and adding to it doesn't help. We can't be the world's policeman and we can't be their nurse either, we have to make life for the people already here. FWIW, this is something Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both agree about being an issue.

I feel like you're approaching this backwards. the businesses seeking artificially low cost labor is the root cause, ending birth right citizenship won't help this.

His name is not Schrödinger...

I don't see there being any rational argument for birthright citizenship actually benefiting the working people of this country, it can significantly harm their QOL but that's not something the suits in Washington care too much about obviously. Big Business owns the government, both parties, the media, the narrative, their tentacles run thru all means of control.

There will be hell toupee

just forget that btw

A reference, methinks, to Schrodinger's cat.

Ding ding. That's correct...

Personally I think all the white people complaining about all the illegal immigrants should move the hell back to Europe....especially since many of these immigrants ancestors may have very well came from North American land and been pushed down into Mexico and South America by the white european settlers that stole native land. Also we should give Texas back, that wasn't ours. And for all the fear mongering of the 'browning of america' whats to fear? the level of spiciness of the authentic food they bring with them? its just a bunch of xenophobic BS.

Hey! He stole my look!

Perhaps there is a legal way to address the problem...deporting people who have been born on U.S soil is illegal even if birthright citizenship does specifically benefit the working people. Perhaps why the conditions are such that there is an influx of immigrants from central and south america are showing up should be looked into. It is interesting what all plays a role in that the quest for cheap labor very much plays into it as well as the war on drugs. Building a wall to hide behind isn't going to solve anything.

Yah, it was supposed to be a joke, but evidently not one that communicated.
You can tell Aspie202 stands on an issue, or what he means by supporting a candidate, but the more precisely you define one, the less you understand the other.... Shrodinger, Heisenberg ... never mind.

schrodinger is cat

Well perhaps if the U.S acted more as the latter.....it would be an improvement, the world police thing is obviously not working now is it. It's time the U.S made a point to work with the rest of the world instead of thinking 'our way or no way.' Also some of our powerful very wealthy corporations seem to think they've got no civil responsibilities like paying taxes all kinds of ways for them to evade paying them, then there is the issue of exploitation of people in 3rd world countries as well as a disregard for environmental damage since in the third world nations they don't have to go by U.S regulations to limit that.

The corporate CEOs aren't facing poverty and desperately running away to china or various 3rd world countries because that is the only place they can afford to hire people from as american workers are demanding ridiculous wages, they're trying to save a few bucks because they know they can easily exploit the people their because 'they're used to worse'. Its not that they cannot afford to pay a living wage. I can see small companies having some trouble with paying higher wages especially when starting out, though perhaps if the government subsidized these businesses rather than the billionaire well established already doing well corporations that could help offset an increased minimum wage.

For the Donald.