Conservatives insist the rest of us live by their rules

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Why thank you!

I don't know how he does it, but mine is held together by baling wire.

To quote the Lady, "Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?"

Baling wire and duct tape can fix about anything.

Yes, it is funny, isn't it.



Faith?! I guess that's what it takes to believe this rubbish.



Yes, I find it a little odd too that people would take so seriously the precautionary principle of doing something, regardless of cost and effectiveness, to offset what they perceive to be an imminent danger, and without taking into consideration the potentially disastrous effect(s) that their actions may have. It's all about being seen to be doing something about global warming, rather than actually doing something environmentally useful (ex. like drawing attention to species extinction due to deforestation or overfishing, and not global warming which is irrelevant).

Spiderpig, what you have written here is just disgusting. You do realise, don't you, that there are many here who would fall within the classification of being impoverished and/or disabled due to having autism/A.S.? If the statistics I often come across are actually accurate, and I've been trying to find out if they really are, approx. 70 to 85% of autistics are not in full-time, stable employment, and are, therefore, reliant upon welfare in some way, shape or form. I myself could not survive without it, and I have tried my best over the years to make myself fit in to the odious, N.T.-centric work environments that are inevitably encountered no matter where, or for which company, one chooses to work for.

No, you can take your selfish, juvenile Ayn Rand "philosophy" and...

Have you forgotten about WD40? If it's moving and it shouldn't, apply some Duct Tape. If it's not moving and it should, spray some WD40.

Baling wire?

Only if you've run out of coat hangers ...

I'd forgotten about the WD40. We used it all the the time when I was a kid.

"Natural" and "Good" aren't the same thing.

Arsenic is natural.

Anthrax is natural.

alpha-Amanitin is natural, and is a more devious poison (to humans, not to mushrooms) than most anyone could think up.

Climate change is bad for humans.

It's probably not very bad for many other forms of life.

Oh, okay, so it's not about "saving the planet" after all. It's about saving ourselves and, since any form of climatic variability is (apparently, although we cannot really say for sure) "bad for humans", we must, therefore, strive to stifle any and all attempts by nature to adjust to what we ourselves have done to it.

I don't need to ask where you get these ideas -- they are all over the place.

Whether or not the claim that it is bad for us is true remains to be seen. If you look back about eight to ten thousand years ago, the climate was much warmer than today. Was it a disaster? Not hardly. That is when mankind was finally able to begin to take its first steps toward civilization. It seems obvious to me that any global warming that we are likely to see are far more likely to be quite beneficial overall.

The real disaster would be cooling. If you want to see people starving to death around you, cool the planet off.

We have been in an ice age for something like 2.6 million years. The part of this ice age that we are currently in is an interglacial warm period known as the Holocene. If the last interglacial warm period is anything to go by, it is very possible that we are nearing the end of this one. With luck, we may have as much as one to two thousand years before everything goes to hell, but it could happen sooner.

When the next glaciation begins, you can bet that famine will become common and that death by starvation will be a major problem throughout the world. A warm planet is generally quite productive -- a planet cooling down as it enters a new period of glaciation will not be very productive at all. Just look at the hardships created by the period known as "The Little Ice Age" for a small hint of what is in store for our descendants.

If the Global Warming can postpone the onset of the next glaciation, then that is the best thing that can happen for mankind.

Whom should we save the planet for if not us?

But yes, the environmentalists have long been guilty of skewing their message to make the greatest impact, because nobody ever listens to them.

Remember that spotted owl thing? Total bullflop.

Not that we should be cutting down old growth forests to donate the wood to the japanese government, who was going to just mill it and sell it back to us, because they have plenty of logging interests in vietnam and don't need our wood.

and yeah, where that spotted owl thing was brought up first, that was the real kicker they were against. Adding insult to injury by cutting down a forest that didn't need to be cut down.

And in general, the way forest system logging leases work, the federal government builds the roads that make the logging possible, and the cost of building the roads generally exceeds the value of the wood.

So, those particular loggers who would benefit from having that work? We would do better to deputize them into the forest service and train them to be arborists for the same pay.

Any swing will require a great deal of adaptation on our part.

Also please provide a peer-reviewed citation for the assertion that we are in an ice age.

What?! Everybody listens to them! That's the problem.

That's not the way they see it.

Well, there is some wisdom to acknowledging the limits of one's own understanding and knowledge. Most people when they engage on here aren't interested in truth,, they are interested in winning an argument.

I chalk the global warming conspiracy theories up to manufactured doubt conjured up by the republican party. On the other hand, not being an actual scientist myself I simply have to assume that if global warming really is a fraud, then more and more scientists will speak out against it. Some scientists are unscrupulous but I do have faith that not all of them are.

Anyway everyone knows pollution is bad. Just look at China. Who wants to live in all that smog? I see a lot of mental gymnastics going on among people on both sides of the issue but in particular I think it is a Republican thing. I think it suits their agenda to introduce as much doubt as humanly possible into the global warming theory. It may not be perfect, but I think we can all agree that less smog is better, recycling is good, cutting down forests is bad for animals etc., etc