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28 Mar 2016, 8:59 pm

pcuser wrote:

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pcuser wrote:

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They can believe whatever they want. They can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old. That doesn't make it right and it shouldn't stop science from moving forward. The same goes for abortion. If you believe that, which is fine, you shouldn't force your belief onto others who disagree and are simply living as they think they should, true to there believe system.

You've stated yourself the reason they'll never be persuaded to do that. If someone goes about merrily slaughtering people they meet on the street with a cleaver, with a clear conscience because they see nothing wrong with it, will you accept that you can't force your belief that it's wrong on them and have to let them live as they think they should, true to their belief system?

They are slaughtering sentient beings, so no, I wouldn't condone that...

And abortion slaughters fetuses, so they won't condone it. You may think your standard makes a difference and theirs doesn't, but they think the opposite. Therefore, no rational, mutual understanding will ever happen and neither side will just let the other live according to their beliefs. Whether either side is "right" in any kind of "objective" sense is of no practical consequence. Only force will determine who gets their way, which is unsurprisingly what's always happened so far.

And you're wrong again...

I find it amusing that you can't say anything other than "You're wrong" when you have no argument to make due to the facts in other people's posts staring you right in the eye.

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28 Mar 2016, 10:10 pm

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What's your point? Look, I don't condone abortion [unless needed to save the mother's life when the fetus is a rodef i.e. pursuer] the same way I don't condone other types of murder or stealing. If there was a horrible famine in another country and a mother there chose to ate her kids, I would understand the pain she and the people in that country are going through, but I would NOT condone her decision to eat her kids. Even though we're privileged enough not to have to go through that [no I don't mean privileged as an insult even though "Progressives" use it as an insult and to shut down discussion constantly], I think we can all agree that her "choice" to eat her kids is wrong. So too with abortion, I think taking the life of another [helpless] human being who does not threaten your life is wrong, period. And I don't have to have a uterus to see that.

My point is that however you may feel about abortion, you will never have to make that choice for yourself and have one because you can't get pregnant if you don't have a uterus. So you can feel whatever you want about abortion, your feelings on the subject don't really matter.

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29 Mar 2016, 2:40 am

The entire purpose of this thread is undermined if people use it to *argue* about their political views.

How about making specific threads for those discussions instead?

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29 Mar 2016, 12:24 pm

I think it'd be interesting to discuss unpopular political views if only new arguments were posted each time, logically addressing the earlier ones, rather than an endless stream of synonyms of "I'm right and you're wrong because I say so".

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29 Mar 2016, 12:44 pm

senquin wrote:

pcuser wrote:

Spiderpig wrote:

pcuser wrote:

Spiderpig wrote:

pcuser wrote:

They are slaughtering sentient beings, so no, I wouldn't condone that...

And you're wrong again...

I find it amusing that you can't say anything other than "You're wrong" when you have no argument to make due to the facts in other people's posts staring you right in the eye.

When I make a valid point and it's ignored or called false when it is a fact, how does one respond? Also, there were posts that made no sense. How do you respond to such posts when they insist you do so?

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29 Mar 2016, 12:47 pm

I thought this thread was just about posting one's unpopular political views as if it was just a giant billboard in the public square, and not a debate thing.

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29 Mar 2016, 12:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:

I thought this thread was just about posting one's unpopular political views as if it was just a giant billboard in the public square, and not a debate thing.

You're absolutely correct. Why they must dispute ones views is beyond me?

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29 Mar 2016, 1:01 pm

I believe that Western, and particularly American, materialism is poison to mind, body, and soul.

I believe that, once you are fed and housed and doctored and have a way to get around, a lot of the stuff we take for granted as a necessary part of life is just so much landfill filling.

I believe in socialism, but I don't trust my government or any government to administer it. I am an anarchocollectivist... And I don't have enough faith in human beings to believe that anarchism is viable.

I believe in anthropogenic climate change, and I don't trust any regulatory program to fix it. What we really need is a radical redefinition of values.

I'm pro-choice, and I hate abortion. I don't feel comfortable making those decisions for someone else, but I really do think that abortion kills babies and harms women. I don't know a single woman who's had an abortion who was not harmed by the process. I think it's a tool of eugenecist social engineers, a cheap way to avoid growing up and embracing the blessings hardship can bring as a society.

I have a lot of very uncomfortable views.

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29 Mar 2016, 1:04 pm

living on the fence is gonna be uncomfortable.

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29 Mar 2016, 2:55 pm

Yeah, especially sitting on a fence with spikes or pieces or broken glass to deter would-be trespassers :jester:

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29 Mar 2016, 6:00 pm

I don't like having aspergers, not because of the general reasons, but because I can't stand most people with aspergers. Whenever, most of the time they want to suck of the breasts of big government.

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29 Mar 2016, 6:03 pm

^^^what do you have against breasts? :mrgreen:

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29 Mar 2016, 6:35 pm

auntblabby wrote:

^^^what do you have against breasts? :mrgreen:

Nothing...if they're a good pair.

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29 Mar 2016, 7:13 pm

GGPViper wrote:

The entire purpose of this thread is undermined if people use it to *argue* about their political views.

How about making specific threads for those discussions instead?

What do you expect with a topic like this? Unpopular means controversial. And with controversial viewpoints, there will be those who disagree.

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29 Mar 2016, 7:15 pm

but the purpose of this thread is to serve as a mere bulletin board for unpopular opinions and NOT as a debate, not in this thread. this thread is a refuge from debate.

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29 Mar 2016, 7:17 pm

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ok whatever. Also, at one point in time, the sentiments of abolitionists didn't "matter" when slavery was legal. Go further back in history and that would've appeared more true, since slavery was then widespread in the world. If there is a famine in another country and women started eating their kids, our feelings would appear to not "matter", since we don't live there. But it would still be morally wrong, which is something we can all agree on. You can say that my views don't matter all you want. But I'll still take a stand against abortion.

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