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10 Feb 2017, 4:33 am

Do any of you have any actual real life examples of SJWs?



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10 Feb 2017, 9:56 pm

Yep. Here's a real a real life SJW.

Or did you mean ones I've met personally? One time at work I got into an argument with an angry feminist man. Does he count? He got mad about the 77% wage gap. He got madder when I pointed out everyone on our team at work got paid the same $28 per hour, men and women alike.

He didn't seem to understand that 77% thing was based on an American study so it doesn't apply to Australia. Also that study was done in the late 70s and things have gotten a lot less sexist since the late 70s.

I think it was pretty sexist of him to think women are incapable of speaking for themselves and that they need a "heroic man" like him to speak for them.


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10 Feb 2017, 10:06 pm

The study also had flawed methodology. It took all the money each group makes and compared it. They factored nothing in.



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10 Feb 2017, 10:09 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
He didn't seem to understand that 77% thing was based on an American study so it doesn't apply to Australia. Also that study was done in the late 70s and things have gotten a lot less sexist since the late 70s.


Doesn't the difference almost completely disappear if one also takes into account the kind and amount of work done?



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10 Feb 2017, 10:10 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yep. Here's a real a real life SJW.

Or did you mean ones I've met personally? One time at work I got into an argument with an angry feminist man. Does he count? He got mad about the 77% wage gap. He got madder when I pointed out everyone on our team at work got paid the same $28 per hour, men and women alike.

He didn't seem to understand that 77% thing was based on an American study so it doesn't apply to Australia. Also that study was done in the late 70s and things have gotten a lot less sexist since the late 70s.

I think it was pretty sexist of him to think women are incapable of speaking for themselves and that they need a "heroic man" like him to speak for them.
I feel as though we might act as though these so called SJWs are more prominent than they actually are.

Many people I know that seem to be SJWs on the surface turn out to be interesting people, with a different perspective that I enjoy discussing with them about.

In fact many people in my class aren't even SJWs they love discussion some just have left of center political views.



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10 Feb 2017, 10:22 pm

BettaPonic wrote:
The study also had flawed methodology. It took all the money each group makes and compared it. They factored nothing in.
Sigbold wrote:
Doesn't the difference almost completely disappear if one also takes into account the kind and amount of work done?
True. Also the hours worked. You don't here me complaining when the girl who works 7 days per week gets paid more than me for working 5 days per week. I know she's being paid more because she worked more.
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I feel as though we might act as though these so called SJWs are more prominent than they actually are.
Yes we do. Not only do people who are against SJWs act as though SJWs are more prominent then they actually are, but politicians and the media act like SJWs are more prominent then they actually are.

In other words, people pandering to SJWs act like SJWs are a mainstream part of society.

SJWs themselves act like they're more prominent then they actually are. Why else would they be surprised when most people disagree with them when their views are their views are held by the minority.

SJWs are a textbook example of the vocal minority who appears to represent the majority view because no one hears the silent majority.
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Many people I know that seem to be SJWs on the surface turn out to be interesting people, with a different perspective that I enjoy discussing with them about.
They seem to be SJWs on the surface? I guess that means they're not really SJWs. Good thing too or they might not be willing to have interesting discussions with you.
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In fact many people in my class aren't even SJWs they love discussion some just have left of center political views.
I never said the people in your class were SJWs.


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10 Feb 2017, 10:30 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
BettaPonic wrote:
The study also had flawed methodology. It took all the money each group makes and compared it. They factored nothing in.
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Doesn't the difference almost completely disappear if one also takes into account the kind and amount of work done?
True. Also the hours worked. You don't here me complaining when the girl who works 7 days per week gets paid more than me for working 5 days per week. I know she's being paid more because she worked more.
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I feel as though we might act as though these so called SJWs are more prominent than they actually are.
Yes we do. Not only do people who are against SJWs act as though SJWs are more prominent then they actually are, but politicians and the media act like SJWs are more prominent then they actually are.

In other words, people pandering to SJWs act like SJWs are a mainstream part of society.

SJWs themselves act like they're more prominent then they actually are. Why else would they be surprised when most people disagree with them when their views are their views are held by the minority.

SJWs are a textbook example of the vocal minority who appears to represent the majority view because no one hears the silent majority.
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Many people I know that seem to be SJWs on the surface turn out to be interesting people, with a different perspective that I enjoy discussing with them about.
They seem to be SJWs on the surface? I guess that means they're not really SJWs. Good thing too or they might not be willing to have interesting discussions with you.
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In fact many people in my class aren't even SJWs they love discussion some just have left of center political views.
I never said the people in your class were SJWs.
I guess I was annoyed over how those who disagree with SJWs overplay how influential they are.

I think I have only ever met one so called SJW and she has a few problems yourself.

Have any of you?

I am not sure if the man you talked about counts.



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10 Feb 2017, 10:32 pm

Come on and SJWs raise good points.



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10 Feb 2017, 10:41 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Speaking of which I think Wilburforce is the only SJW I have really met here.
She's the only SJW I can think of on WP.

She certainly ended her time on WP on a high note.
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I guess I was annoyed over how those who disagree with SJWs overplay how influential they are.
I think SJWs are influential. Just because SJWs make up only a small percentage of the population, that doesn't mean they can't be influential.

True that I don't think they'll use their influence to push the more extreme SJW views because they know they have to tone it down to make it acceptable to mainstream media. They seldom espouse extreme views to mainstream media, instead they have a subtle bias. However, this can still be damaging.

Yes I agree that certain Youtubers have greatly exaggerated. They've spread nonsensical hyperbole like "every woman will falsely accuse you of rape".

Honestly I think MRA fear mongering is just bad as feminist fear mongering and I think MGTOWs are just trying to justify the fact that they're too scared to ask a girl out. They say that girls are just after their money. How can that be true when most MGTOWs don't have any money?

On the other hand, the reddit redpill guys think the best way to counter the feminist stereotype that men are misogynist pigs is to act like stereotypical misogynist pigs.


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10 Feb 2017, 10:49 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Come on and SJWs raise good points.
Which good points?


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10 Feb 2017, 10:52 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Come on and SJWs raise good points.
Which good points?
Well feminism, racism and homophobia.

A strong movement may also need people like them to succeed. If the Democrats retake the House in 2018 like I hope they do it will be because their are enthusiastic loyal passionate followers give them support.



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10 Feb 2017, 10:55 pm

What good points does feminism raise in the developed world? What does Feminism offer that egalitarianism doesn't?



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10 Feb 2017, 10:57 pm

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What good points does feminism raise in the developed world? What does Feminism offer that egalitarianism doesn't?
Empowerment, legitimate issues with our culture, a chance to eliminate stereotypes about women.



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10 Feb 2017, 11:03 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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What good points does feminism raise in the developed world? What does Feminism offer that egalitarianism doesn't?
Empowerment, legitimate issues with our culture, a chance to eliminate stereotypes about women.
Which legitimate issues?

Which stereotypes?

Only a patronising misogynist would claim women aren't empowered. Yes, it's possible to be a misogynist and a feminist at the same time. Any feminist who claims women can't be successful or empowered without their help is a misogynist feminist.


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10 Feb 2017, 11:04 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Come on and SJWs raise good points.
Which good points?
Well feminism, racism and homophobia.
I do not think those three things are good points. Personally, I'm against feminism, racism and homophobia. SJWs should not be condoning or promoting feminism, racism or homophobia.


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10 Feb 2017, 11:10 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Come on and SJWs raise good points.
Which good points?
Well feminism, racism and homophobia.
I do not think those three things are good points. Personally, I'm against feminism, racism and homophobia. SJWs should not be condoning or promoting feminism, racism or homophobia.
They are highlighting these issues.

Obviously many are against homophobia and racism but support feminism.