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23 Nov 2020, 4:46 pm

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Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?
That depends on if it happened or if it was just imagined. I have also seen gloating over getting members banned in this and other threads. And the ones they are probably thinking of, based on having named them in the past, weren't even actually banned.

Hmmm, I think imagined toxic behavior and real toxic behavior are both "toxic" - just one is real and another is imagined.

Would you be more satisfied if someone you don't like got banned vs if they learned to behave acceptably?


Absolutely. Really that's all I'm trying to accomplish.



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23 Nov 2020, 4:48 pm

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Apparently so just like denying something was done with racial motivation is also critical thinking.
Sadly, "proving" bigotry of any kind as a motivation can have widely varying results.  On the one hand, no one can read another person's mind and know without a doubt what that person is thinking.  On the other hand, there may be people in authority who believe they have a special talent that allows them to figuratively "read between the lines" of someone's posts and see their motivations writ large just for them.  On the gripping hand, a person who is truly motivated by bigotry is likely to eventually commit a violation that is so blatant as to remove all doubt of their bigotry.



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23 Nov 2020, 4:50 pm

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Gag me with a spoon, dilluting the meaning of a word referring to homicidal zealots is free thinking?



Apparently so just like denying something was done with racial motivation is also critical thinking. :wink:


That or just playing with the victim card regardless of what anyone actually said. It's almost as if airing out historical nastiness is offensive to these people because it calls attention to who they actually are, rather than their public personas.

I think critically about these "critical thinkers" & they tell me to STFU & stop thinking, that my brain's gone too far. I didn't call anyone anything but a follower here, leadership as we know it today does not involve the consideration of fascist talking points. I don't follow anyone on the internet, I follow ideas & current events.

People insistent that neonazis are a myth are in denial of real crimes in the real world.


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23 Nov 2020, 4:53 pm

I have offered to maintain the site before, I'll get a good laugh out of getting banned from the outside by some dude who just walked in & played this card.

I think the political movement here is in the interest of debate without truth. When the facts don't suit the alt-right narrative, they politicize hate in any convoluted way possible & pin the blame on those who give it names.


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23 Nov 2020, 4:57 pm

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Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?


Depends.

I reported someone and she got banned.

I didn't want her to be banned, I wanted her to learn a lesson.

Even Twitter has rules. This place is stricter than Twitter and it's pretty easy to get banned or reported on here. There are other sites available if we don't like the rules on this one (although most sites which tolerate hate speech will also allow for 'cringe culture' and extreme hate of autistic people so I understand not joining 4chan etc)


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23 Nov 2020, 4:59 pm

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People insistent that neonazis are a myth are in denial of real crimes in the real world.


It's more like nazis don't need to be talked about here on a daily basis. It's more like certain posters need to get over their obsession with nazis which was euphemistically described as a special interest. That if someone is obsessed over nazis and feels they need to police the interest against all the nazis they're seeing crawling out of the woodwork, it would be nice if they didn't do it all the time on this forum by inventing nazis like was just done with me.



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23 Nov 2020, 5:03 pm

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Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?
It depends on whether that member's behavior is genuinely toxic, or whether that member's behavior is merely considered "Covert Hostility" by another member whose own toxic behavior has been exposed.



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23 Nov 2020, 5:09 pm

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People insistent that neonazis are a myth are in denial of real crimes in the real world.


It's more like nazis don't need to be talked about here on a daily basis. It's more like certain posters need to get over their obsession with nazis which was euphemistically described as a special interest. That if someone is obsessed over nazis and feels they need to police the interest against all the nazis they're seeing crawling out of the woodwork, it would be nice if they didn't do it all the time on this forum by inventing nazis like was just done with me.


I don't see any here, just a hoard of your apologist rationalizations for the walleyed viewpoint that psychopathic antisemitism is a myth.

You don't have to be one of anything to schill for said thing as if it was never a problem.


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23 Nov 2020, 5:11 pm

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I have offered to maintain the site before, I'll get a good laugh out of getting banned from the outside by some dude who just walked in & played this card.

I think the political movement here is in the interest of debate without truth. When the facts don't suit the alt-right narrative, they politicize hate in any convoluted way possible & pin the blame on those who give it names.


There you go calling me alt-right again which has been combined with white supremacist, racist, fascist and nazi here over the years. The "certain posters" are the ones who use those terms as a weapon and they are ones who mixed them interchangeable.



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23 Nov 2020, 5:12 pm

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Do you all agree that trying to get another member banned is a toxic behavior?


Depends.

I reported someone and she got banned.

I didn't want her to be banned, I wanted her to learn a lesson.

Even Twitter has rules. This place is stricter than Twitter and it's pretty easy to get banned or reported on here. There are other sites available if we don't like the rules on this one (although most sites which tolerate hate speech will also allow for 'cringe culture' and extreme hate of autistic people so I understand not joining 4chan etc)



I've had the opposite experience, it's pretty difficult to get banned from here. But however it is very easy to get reported and most of the time you won't know about these reports the mods got about you if you were not breaking any rules. Based on what I had been told by a former mod.


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23 Nov 2020, 5:17 pm

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I have offered to maintain the site before, I'll get a good laugh out of getting banned from the outside by some dude who just walked in & played this card.

I think the political movement here is in the interest of debate without truth. When the facts don't suit the alt-right narrative, they politicize hate in any convoluted way possible & pin the blame on those who give it names.


There you go calling me alt-right again which has been combined with white supremacist, racist, fascist and nazi here over the years. The "certain posters" are the ones who use those terms as a weapon and they are ones who mixed them interchangeable.


You should by know that I prefer weaponized language to violence. You are advocating for indifference towards violence. You are among those we group in as alt-right because you are admonishing us with their talking points. I recognize the alt-right to be a radicalized assortment of anti-intellectual grouches with no real mission save for inflicting pain on their enemies.


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23 Nov 2020, 5:21 pm

Hardly a day goes by that I do not click on that "Report" button down there.  I do try, however, to make sure that I have my facts straight before reporting someone -- not always successfully, however.

Better to quote the offending text, copy the link of the offending post, and include both in a PM to the mods.

This has become more difficult since the software was changed to allow only one person to be addressed in a single PM -- it was easier when I could just copy the names of all the moderators into one PM and send it to all of them at once.



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23 Nov 2020, 5:32 pm

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....it would be nice if they didn't do it all the time on this forum by inventing nazis like was just done with me.


Yeah, YOU did that though, remember?



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23 Nov 2020, 5:34 pm

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cberg wrote:
I have offered to maintain the site before, I'll get a good laugh out of getting banned from the outside by some dude who just walked in & played this card.

I think the political movement here is in the interest of debate without truth. When the facts don't suit the alt-right narrative, they politicize hate in any convoluted way possible & pin the blame on those who give it names.


There you go calling me alt-right again


No, no he didn't. You just assumed that post was aimed specifically at you.

Persecution complex, much?



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23 Nov 2020, 6:02 pm

Everyone: less accusations and more reasoned discussion, please.
It's getting a bit heated in here.


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23 Nov 2020, 6:12 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
cberg wrote:
I have offered to maintain the site before, I'll get a good laugh out of getting banned from the outside by some dude who just walked in & played this card.

I think the political movement here is in the interest of debate without truth. When the facts don't suit the alt-right narrative, they politicize hate in any convoluted way possible & pin the blame on those who give it names.


There you go calling me alt-right again which has been combined with white supremacist, racist, fascist and nazi here over the years. The "certain posters" are the ones who use those terms as a weapon and they are ones who mixed them interchangeable.


There you go, diving in front of a shot to get intentionally hit by it, even though it wasn't aimed at you.

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The implication is obvious. And what was just done can't be undone. I have been proven right about what I have been saying.


Stating that an implication is obvious does not make it obvious. "Obvious" is a subjective term at best. It's a way of avoiding having to actually explain things. You can then claim that anyone who doesn't "get it" is either intentionally being obtuse, or is "one of them". Any comment can be subverted by assumption and suspicion into a "sleight" or an "attack". Even a genuine compliment can be taken as a sarcastic jab.

Declaring that you've been proven right does not magically make you right. If there's proof, report it to the mods.

Oh, I forgot - some have claimed in the past that even the mods are in league with the LEFT AGENDA.

In general...

"Bullying" means more than just "having to deal with something you don't like". As far as this forum goes, I can't think of anything anyone could do to actually prevent me from posting here. I can always be heard. It's not like a real conversation where people can should over me, or a chat scroll where things are lost to time. Everything I say is preserved, in print, for all time, or until the server gets unplugged. You could TRY to bully someone, but it would depend entirely on them being emotionally fragile enough to be driven away by words. Most members seem to know PPR is best avoided if one doesn't handle conflict well.

Nobody can prevent anyone else from posting either. Even if every member of the forum posted criticism in response to you, you still got to say your piece. You still got heard. No amount of criticism, or "ganging up", or name calling, can actually stop people from posting. It might make people feel bad, but sometimes that's more of a "you" problem than it is anyone else's.

Frankly, anyone who wants to post without fear of criticism knows full well where the haven is. Some members have already figured out that they can post their ideas there, and are completely safe from being disagreed with. Cos that would be unsupportive. But this is an inflammatory topic to begin with, to some extent, and a complex one to boot. There are no simple discrete answers.

As much as it gets treated like a simple agree-to-disagree "different opinions" matter, not all opinions are "just opinions". It's one thing to say agree to disagree when one person likes strawberry flavor and one hates strawberry flavor - it's a different matter entirely when the "disagreement" is over what kind of people should be allowed to live or left to die. Lives are not at stake with a disagreement over flavors. Lives are involved when it comes to matters of bigotry like racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and such.



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