White privilege isn't real - Jordan Peterson
"White privilege" doesn't mean that, if you're white, your life can't be hard. What it means is that, if you're white, your skin color isn't a factor in making your life hard.
Yes, white people can still be disadvantaged in a multitude of ways, but, the fact remains, white people don't face systemic discrimination, and THAT is white privilege.
Both a white man and a black man can be poor, but the poor white man is significantly less likely to be shot by police during a routine traffic stop.
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I've heard some fairly robust rebuttal (some here feel quite smug about their beliefs), But at the end of the day white privilege is a scientifically backed evidence based phenomena,
No amount of "what about" is going to change that....
What they proved is what was said in the first sentence. What termonolgy they choose to use to describe their findings is subjective.
The terminology is no different to the word intelligence quotient. As we know that's subjective too but its universally accepted by psychologists.
But you were petulant, Pepe. You were being a jerk.
I believe what I said is true, based upon American (without the "K") reality, and my 60 years of experience in it.
I would never say what you say doesn't "cut the mustard." That's an implication that I "fall short." It's an insult. I would never insult you like that. You have your opinion. I have mine.
I'm not one of your "detractors." I just have opinions you might not agree with. C'est la vie!
When I say someone has a visceral dislike for people not of their own race, I say that out of my experience----because I've heard quite a few people express this visceral dislike (even commenting about how black people "smell," etc).
Simples.
Come on, that's just an example to illustrate my point. The point is that the nature of greed is not actually about money itself.
If I want that New Red Ferrari I need money.
Lots of it.
You are thinking of the super-rich.
For them, it is about power.
But most bank managers wouldn't be in that group.
The funny part is when the people who say "white privilege isn't real" will bend over backwards into a loop to come up with theories of why it can't be real, but can't be bothered to explore a single reason why it could be real - "that's just silly, and not even worth exploring", say the people that insist on embracing new ideas, but only seem to embrace new ideas that support them, and never ones that dissent. Such open minded! But only to stuff that agrees. Funny that.
Privilege isn't a things that you have or don't, and if you don't life sucks. You can have a bad life, and still have privilege. You can have privilege in very specific ways.
All of us here are on the internet. We have that PRIVILEGE. The fact that you worked for the money to pay for the service and buy the equipment is irrelevant - you still have something that others don't. And given that some people don't even have internet access available to them where they live, compared to them, you have the PRIVILEGE of immediate access to even buy it in the first place.
Some people have to go to the library to use the computer. Compared to them, others with internet and a computer at home have the PRIVILEGE of being able to access the internet from home whenever they want. So how do you get to the library? Drive? Well, you have the PRIVILEGE of access to a car, and the ability to drive. Not all of us here can or do drive. Many rely on busses or taxis, IF they have access to the PRIVILEGE of money to pay for them.
Many if not most of us have autism on this site. Some are lower functioning, and don't have the PRIVILEGE of the benefits that a higher functioning individual might have, but at the same time may gain access to the PRIVILEGE of public support systems - inversely higher functioning individuals might have the PRIVILEGE of things like greater social or occupational success, but are also denied a lot of assistance as a result.
Privilege doesn't magically make your life great. Being white doesn't get you a mansion and a career just for walking thru the door. But it DOES make you LESS LIKELY to get shot just for having walked through the door. White guys with visible weapons get talked down unharmed, but black guys that *might* have a gun get shot 20 times in the back. Two white guys dressed in full tactical garb with visible open carried weapons walk into a police station, get yelled at, talked down, guns not even drawn. Yet, officer accidentally walks into some else's house, sees black man sitting and watching TV (in what was HIS OWN HOUSE), gets shot and killed.
If a mass shooting or bombing is committed by anyone who isn't white, they're labeled a "terrorist" without a pause. But when they ARE white, they're a "disturbed individual". Joking about minorities being lazy or stupid or dirty or violent or criminal is "just comedy", but making a joke about white people any more deep-cut than "boy, white people sure like mayonnaise and tom jones, and what's with them and avocado!", you've gone too far. Saying things like "black people are lazy violent thugs and mexicans are rapists selling drugs" is just "freedom of speech" and "voicing an opinion" - and the justification is little more than the fact that they can point to individuals who do fit that stereotype - but saying "some white people can be such lazy racists" is somehow "different", and doesn't get the same considerations as the other statements - and pointing to actual examples of white people being lazy racists doesn't incriminate white people the same way as pointing at minority individuals who fit the stereotypes they engaged in.
It's almost as if it's ok to criticize other races, but not white people. Cos "racism isn't real, but reverse racism is! Because white people aren't racist, but everyone else is!" - which is baloney, cos what makes white people so special that they're immune to expressing racism, but nobody else is. And that mindset, of itself, IS white privilege. The fact that "white people aren't racist, but everyone else is", is a common belief, despite not being true, IS white privilege. The system as a whole inherently grants more credibility to white people in general - in america - not with absolute certainty, but at least much more often than not.
Jordan Peterson has so much privilege, the idea of him denying any type of privilege is hilarious. The more privilege you have, the harder it is to recognize it. The less privilege you have, the easier it is to see it, but only in other people. Recognizing one's own privilege, cos its one's own life, and is taken for granted to be "normal", is typically fairly difficult.
The problem is not white privilege but all sorts of discrimination against non whites. It is not privilege to get what you deserve, it is not a privilege to get stuff one rightly earned. White people are more likely to be fairly treated and black people are more likely to be unfairly treated. Why is this so hard to say? Why the insistence on using the racist term “white privilege” to describe this problem?
Some paint all Caucasians as having white privilege.
Some believe it is universal.
If you can change their binary thinking, you are a better man than I.
I've heard some fairly robust rebuttal (some here feel quite smug about their beliefs), But at the end of the day white privilege is a scientifically backed evidence based phenomena,
No amount of "what about" is going to change that....
I beg to differ.
Yes, white people can still be disadvantaged in a multitude of ways, but, the fact remains, white people don't face systemic discrimination, and THAT is white privilege.
Tell that to the white South African farmers.
I've heard some fairly robust rebuttal (some here feel quite smug about their beliefs), But at the end of the day white privilege is a scientifically backed evidence based phenomena,
No amount of "what about" is going to change that....
What they proved is what was said in the first sentence. What termonolgy they choose to use to describe their findings is subjective.
The terminology is no different to the word intelligence quotient. As we know that's subjective too but its universally accepted by psychologists.
How is it subjective?
The last time I did an IQ test, I had to answer some questions.
When I was right I scored a positive point.
When I was wrong, it worked against me.
How can that be subjective?
Perhaps I am misunderstanding where you are coming from?
Are you saying the types of questions used are problematical?
That is your opinion.
I would never say what you say doesn't "cut the mustard." That's an implication that I "fall short." It's an insult. I would never insult you like that. You have your opinion. I have mine.
Perhaps the term 'cut the mustard' has a different connotation where you come from?
I can assure you, my attitude was neutral, not annoyed, not 'petulant'.
adjective: petulant
(of a person or their manner) childishly sulky or bad-tempered.
I'm actually having a relatively good time because there is more discussion than argumentativeness here, in this thread.
Also, I actually have a centrist position where I agree there is some white privilege in areas.
Anyone who tries to 'binary' me will look foolish since I don't have a binary position.
It isn't your opinion that I am looking at, it is the logic behind your opinion.
You are making a gross generalisation.
You are white but *you* don't have "a visceral dislike for people not of their own race."
In this discussion, the details are important.
If you have hidden qualifiers, you need to show them.
Once again, my position is:
There is white privilege in certain situations/contexts, however, it is not ubiquitous, these days.
Please remember, I am not using an exclusively American context, KK.
I've heard some fairly robust rebuttal (some here feel quite smug about their beliefs), But at the end of the day white privilege is a scientifically backed evidence based phenomena,
No amount of "what about" is going to change that....
What they proved is what was said in the first sentence. What termonolgy they choose to use to describe their findings is subjective.
The terminology is no different to the word intelligence quotient. As we know that's subjective too but its universally accepted by psychologists.
How is it subjective?
The last time I did an IQ test, I had to answer some questions.
When I was right I scored a positive point.
When I was wrong, it worked against me.
How can that be subjective?
Perhaps I am misunderstanding where you are coming from?
Are you saying the types of questions used are problematical?
The interpretation from an IQ test are subjective not the scores which are measurable/quantitative
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