Labour to win next UK general election?

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It is sad so few people voted. I am almost sure that it is due to the new identification regs as most older people have no identification and when they say how to get identification they have to go online, and of the ones who have no identification, very few ever go online, so there are around 20% of the regular voters who are now unable to vote. My Mum is in that catagory and I actually helped her get a voters ID and it took months to get, and wh en she went to vote, they spent time looking at it as they had never seen a voters ID before like that, so it shows that most people in that catagory no longer have a means to vote.

It's never been a problem until this point as its usually the established parties that people vote for and by default, first past the post also ends up as representative provided votes are for main parties.

One million votes each seat is an affront to democracy. Even a party I strongly dislike getting that few seats for that many votes will repulse me.

Over a million votes per seat just isn't what people voted for and I rightly sense a big stink emanating in parliament.

This is just an obscene lack of democratic representation.

Disappointing that the Tories didn't fall to 61 seats like the forecast said they would, but for all practical purposes they've been wiped off the map for the next few years, so that's good enough for now. I don't think we'll see much socialism though. And the economy is in such a bad state that I don't expect the standard of living to improve any time soon.

I can never decide whether I want proportional representation or not. It keeps small parties out of power, which may be good or bad depending on who the small parties are.

Labour took my local seat from the tories which was nice.

Good to see the Lib Dems doing well again. Ed Davey seems like a nice caring bloke.

Yes, Lib Dems won here which I'm pleased about.

I don't think I've ever actually voted for anyone who has won before. Not in a GE anyway.

Re Labour's vote share: It's better that a team wins 1-0 than loses 3-4. The primary objective has been achieved. Labour can afford to be more radical, but they have to first of all clean up the mess left by the Tories. Will they be more radical though when the opportunity comes? That's the £64k question.

They need to be careful. I would hardly say the election was a Labour victory but rather a Tory defeat. They performed worse than Corbyn's general election disasters and only won because the vote from disenfranchised tory voters was split Reform and Lib dem, ultimately throwing a lot of votes in the bin with our dubious democratic system which will no doubt be brought into serious disrepute as a result of this election.

It's safe to say Starmer is the most unpopular newly elected PM in British history with his terrible voter mandate and mainland Europe rapidly swinging to the right.

Whichever way you wish to interpret it Labour has succeeded in it's primary objective. How many of us after the disaster of 2019 would've expected that? It certainly wouldn't have happened if Corbyn was still leader. Starmer was excellent at showing how bad the Tories have been, and not so good at selling what Labour had to offer to voters.Am I confident Starmer and Labour will make good use of the win? Not totally.60%? But I've always been more of a pessimist than an optimist.

^^ This is accurate, but its no less accurate to say that every historical Conservative 'majority' has been down to the progressive vote being split.

It's just the way FPTP works, we're just more used to it working in favour of the right.

As for being careful, I'm not so sure.

The rise of right wing populism is down to people feeling hard up and unheard. When people are comfortable, those messages about immigrants stealing their jobs while somehow simultaneously claiming benefits they're not entitled to, just don't land as well.

If Labour can make some big changes quickly, while they have the political capital to do so and have not just figures to point to, but people really feeling better off the next time an election rolls around, the populists might not look so attractive next time.

I think if we get to another election and people don't feel much has changed, then the far right will really benefit.

Starmer's wife is a bit of a stunner..

And maybe it's about time we had a woman sorting out the nations finances as well

Imagine that!

That was totally unrelated to Rossall's post btw

I think most reasonable people, myself included, don't have a problem with controlled, legal immigrants. Serious issues begin when immigrants are completely uncontrolled, from a suspiciously specific demographic of young men, don't want to to integrate and also lumped together with eatablished legal immigrants who get along well with native British people. Apart from being racist, I doubt hard working first and second generation immigrants who legally entered the UK want to be homogeneously linked with "dinghy migrants".

*not what you said, but the feelings of a lot of British people who voted accordingly this election* There is also the issue of first and second generation bringing questionable cultural norms here too obviously.

This has been the main factor in this election and there's little denying labour need to realise it. I think Starmer recognises the problem but I have little faith in the rest of labour falling into line.

The fate of labour is exclusively on immigration. Even taxes take second place with the working class people I've spoken too.

Farage and his mates told us leaving the EU would give us control of our borders. What's actually happened is immigration has drastically gone up since we left. It's also pushed up food prices and affected economic growth.

There was also supposed to be more money for the NHS. That is complete crap. The NHS is on its arse.

I think this is an issue of the UK courts which is another serious problem.

It's certainly what they say is important. But the reality is that most people outside of the major cities of this country rarely ever see an immigrant.

What they feel is high taxes and poor public services. Populists like Farage tell them that this is because of immigrants and that's why 'immigration' is the highest priority for them.

If Labour can improve people's living standards and economic prospects, and rebuild public services then the problem of 'immigration' will be reduced and Farage will either have to find another way to whip up support or he'll fade away.

That's a big if. I hope Labour can do it.

Immigrants are a regular sight even outside of cities and have been for decades. My neighbour in the 90s was a Chinese man who owned a Takeaway restaurant and an hour ago I bought some Dr Pepper from another.

Nobody here seems to have any problems with those immigrants. Everyone here objects to illegal, outboard engine, inflatable boat migration from people with no passports, especially when legal, well established immigrants are being tarred with the same brush.

This election has been a shame really. I voted Reform where I live because Labour has historically won for generations and voting Tory was a complete waste of time. Because of the total lack of representation, a metric f**k ton of votes have been thrown in the trash and everyone has been cheated out of a sizable, completely different and spicy opposition to sink their teeth into. Nobody wins in this election. Labour has performed even worse than Corbyn, opposition votes where thrown in the trash so no genuine opposition worth a toss is there to challenge them........just a total s**t storm.

A very sad day for democracy indeed.