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20 Aug 2008, 12:46 pm

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It's such a strange and antiquated form of control.

you've just described religion.

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20 Aug 2008, 1:19 pm

skafather84 wrote:

michel wrote:

It's such a strange and antiquated form of control.

you've just described religion.

Exactly. What is the need for religion?

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20 Aug 2008, 2:46 pm

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What harm does homosexuality do? What harm does homosexual sex do? What harm does anal sex do? Why is it wrong?

Anyone answer these question without reference to the Bible?

:roll:

Sex is sometimes harmful. Any kind of sex.

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20 Aug 2008, 2:47 pm

greenblue wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

greenblue wrote:

About this anal sex issue here, it's funny, that, from what I gather, not all gays practice anal sex, and some straight couples practice anal sex. Should this even be relevant?

not to the religious because it's considered sodomy.

unless you're f***ing your wife with you on top, it's against the christian god's law.

god don't do it doggie style.

God is beyond human and thus beyond what we understand as pleasure & pain. God doesn't do it any style that we know, accept, or understand.

if God is beyond human and understanding, how can you know what God wants?

Because He talks to us all the time. God is mysterious yet intimate, personal yet vast.

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20 Aug 2008, 2:48 pm

slowmutant wrote:

greenblue wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

greenblue wrote:

About this anal sex issue here, it's funny, that, from what I gather, not all gays practice anal sex, and some straight couples practice anal sex. Should this even be relevant?

not to the religious because it's considered sodomy.

unless you're f***ing your wife with you on top, it's against the christian god's law.

god don't do it doggie style.

God is beyond human and thus beyond what we understand as pleasure & pain. God doesn't do it any style that we know, accept, or understand.

if God is beyond human and understanding, how can you know what God wants?

Because He talks to us all the time.

uh...no. that sounds more like schizophrenia.

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20 Aug 2008, 2:52 pm

michel wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

greenblue wrote:

About this anal sex issue here, it's funny, that, from what I gather, not all gays practice anal sex, and some straight couples practice anal sex. Should this even be relevant?

not to the religious because it's considered sodomy.

unless you're f***ing your wife with you on top, it's against the christian god's law.

god don't do it doggie style.

God don't do it doggie style? You must be joking. Did He send over a sex manual to instruct you exactly how to do it, how often, and how much pleasure you're allowed to have while having sex?

Why do you Christians work so hard at making sure everyone has the LEAST pleasure possible? It's such a strange and antiquated form of control.

Skafather isn't a Christian. Christianity isn't exactly Stoicism here. For all that people say that Christians are irrational ignorant bigots, has nobody who says such things looked in a mirror?

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20 Aug 2008, 2:53 pm

skafather84 wrote:

uh...no. that sounds more like schizophrenia.

And what if it's not?

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20 Aug 2008, 2:57 pm

skafather84 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

greenblue wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

greenblue wrote:

About this anal sex issue here, it's funny, that, from what I gather, not all gays practice anal sex, and some straight couples practice anal sex. Should this even be relevant?

not to the religious because it's considered sodomy.

unless you're f***ing your wife with you on top, it's against the christian god's law.

god don't do it doggie style.

God is beyond human and thus beyond what we understand as pleasure & pain. God doesn't do it any style that we know, accept, or understand.

if God is beyond human and understanding, how can you know what God wants?

Because He talks to us all the time.

uh...no. that sounds more like schizophrenia.

A person hearing voices is usually mentally ill, I agree. But God does not talk to us in that way. God uses not just one means of communicatio, not just one puny stream of language. no! God uses transcendant means of communication, talking to us via our thoughts, emotions, experiences, beliefs, doubts, and fears. He uses everything, because He is not limited to anything.

Hop that helped.

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20 Aug 2008, 3:27 pm

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The means of communications through subjective experiences, is what you say, when actually subjective experiences are often unreliable.

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20 Aug 2008, 3:30 pm

greenblue wrote:

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The means of communications through subjective experiences, is what you say, when actually subjective experiences are often unreliable.

I can't MAKE you believe, now can I? I won't argue with you, either.

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20 Aug 2008, 3:39 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

uh...no. that sounds more like schizophrenia.

And what if it's not?

corroborative evidence.

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20 Aug 2008, 3:50 pm

skafather84 wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

uh...no. that sounds more like schizophrenia.

And what if it's not?

corroborative evidence.

Check and checkmate ... :lol:

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20 Aug 2008, 3:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Skafather isn't a Christian. Christianity isn't exactly Stoicism here. For all that people say that Christians are irrational ignorant bigots, has nobody who says such things looked in a mirror?

I completely agree, ignorance and intolerance knows know idealistic bounds and is present in both atheists and the religious.

I am agnostic, but I am completely fine with religion and denounce any general blanket insults made about all religious people, though I am rather irked when I am told that I am hell bound or I have Satan working through me because of my harmless agnostic scientific standpoints.

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20 Aug 2008, 4:13 pm

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corroonb wrote:

What harm does homosexuality do? What harm does homosexual sex do? What harm does anal sex do? Why is it wrong?

Anyone answer these question without reference to the Bible?

:roll:

Sex is sometimes harmful. Any kind of sex.

You're doing it wrong. Unless that's what you're into.

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20 Aug 2008, 4:19 pm

Phagocyte wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Skafather isn't a Christian. Christianity isn't exactly Stoicism here. For all that people say that Christians are irrational ignorant bigots, has nobody who says such things looked in a mirror?

If you are fine with religions then you are not an agnostic. If you are fine with religions, why do you not share their beliefs?

Agnosticism is not neutrality.

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Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of God, gods, deities, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently unknowable.

Either you think the religious are mistaken or you are in fact a theist, not an agnostic.

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20 Aug 2008, 4:21 pm

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As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove that there is not a God. On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think that I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because, when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods.

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