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01 Sep 2008, 11:27 pm

The builder of the house cannot be found inside the house itself, but the house describes the builder.

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01 Sep 2008, 11:33 pm

Actually, Hell is thought to be in underground Siberia, 11 miles below the surface! :lol: There was a recording played on the Art Bell show of noises recorded deep underground from a Russia borehole attempting to reach the Earths mantle.
The Russian engineers heard the screams of millions of humans!! !

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01 Sep 2008, 11:40 pm

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Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms in that they don't correspond to anything in the physical, observable universe. You could say that Heaven and Hell are just different kinds of consciousness.

Consciousness = Realm.

Anyone read The Tibetan Book of the Dead or Dante's Divine Comedy?

Did you ever consider the thought that maybe Heaven and Hell are imaginary? Much like most other things you appear to believe..

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02 Sep 2008, 12:15 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Obviously heaven and the concept of God exists outside our known universe. I have no argument with that since those concepts make no sense at all within the realm of our universe.

God is immaterial or transcendent. The concept of His being is not so imperceptible.

The idea of a concept being imperceptable would render that concept non-existent. A concept that exists in the mind is obviously perceptable to the conceiver but not necessarily to anyone else.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:16 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Obviously heaven and the concept of God exists outside our known universe. I have no argument with that since those concepts make no sense at all within the realm of our universe.

God is immaterial or transcendent. The concept of His being is not so imperceptible.

The idea of a concept being imperceptable would render that concept non-existent. A concept that exists in the mind is obviously perceptable to the conceiver but not necessarily to anyone else.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:17 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Obviously heaven and the concept of God exists outside our known universe. I have no argument with that since those concepts make no sense at all within the realm of our universe.

God is immaterial or transcendent. The concept of His being is not so imperceptible.

The idea of a concept being imperceptable would render that concept non-existent. A concept that exists in the mind is obviously perceptable to the conceiver but not necessarily to anyone else.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:18 am

Sorry about the multiple post. Computer glitch.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:25 am

Sand wrote:

The idea of a concept being imperceptable would render that concept non-existent. A concept that exists in the mind is obviously perceptable to the conceiver but not necessarily to anyone else.

Yes, sometimes I tend to think of God to be an immaterial concept, a concept that exist and partly comprehensible in the human mind only, in which case, we could say that God is subjectively real. If God as a concept, exists in our minds, then it must exist in that fashion, at least.

Kinda sounds like an ontological argument for the existence of God

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02 Sep 2008, 12:33 am

And the same thing can be said about elves, unicorns, dragons and Mickey Mouse.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:35 am

z0rp wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Did you ever consider the thought that maybe Heaven and Hell are imaginary? Much like most other things you appear to believe..

Did you ever consider that backwards?

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02 Sep 2008, 12:38 am

Several thoughts in that quote. Which one is "that" to be reversed?

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02 Sep 2008, 12:49 am

Sand wrote:

And the same thing can be said about elves, unicorns, dragons and Mickey Mouse.

Well, me, as a kid, I thought Santa Claus was real, in my own universe, which it was interesting, the mental universe of my innocence was interesting and beautiful, utopic you could say, and he was very real in that world.

The problem with my post regarding God in that way, seems to suggest that we create God, instead of God creating us. However, the concept existed before our individual existence. That is, the concept of God existed before each of us were born.

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02 Sep 2008, 12:53 am

All concepts require a brain to conceive them. Even those written down do not exist as concepts until someone reads it. The concept of God exists in human brains and may be evoked by literature but if all human readers ceased to exist the concept would cease to exist.

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02 Sep 2008, 1:05 am

This thread has turned from a debate on the definition of Satanism, into ...

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02 Sep 2008, 1:13 am

Haliphron wrote:

Actually, Hell is thought to be in underground Siberia, 11 miles below the surface! :lol:

There was a recording played on the Art Bell show of noises recorded deep underground from a Russia borehole attempting to reach the Earths mantle.

The Russian engineers heard the screams of millions of humans!! !

Ridiculous.

Unless ...

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02 Sep 2008, 1:14 am

Sand wrote:

Well, yes, the human mind differs from other species in our ability to cognition and we form concepts and meanings of what we perceive, we could say that our minds become a universe itself which would be a reflection of the reality we perceive, even if it is a bit distorted, which it is probably always the case. God exists for some people because they have learned from reading and hearing, it came to their minds as concepts through their senses, just as many other things, you never met Leonardo Davinci in person, but you might be sure he existed, and also being evoked by literature, that is also a concept you gain in your mind.

When you cease to exist, all concepts learned cease to exist, apparently, you cease to exist and the entire universe cease to exist, in your mind.

Well, perhaps I might be getting this wrong or missing something though, but at least this is how I see it, somehow.

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