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02 Mar 2023, 2:14 am

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pro-war Russian military bloggers fumed at the string of drone strikes.


How do you think the citizens of Ukraine feel, you dumb s**ts. :mrgreen:



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02 Mar 2023, 8:58 pm

Bakhmut front stabilised.

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Update from Ukraine | Civil war in Ruzzia | Opposition forces assault in Bryansk Region of Ruzzia
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02 Mar 2023, 9:21 pm

Hopefully, this is accurate, but I am a little skeptical.



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02 Mar 2023, 9:26 pm

A False Flag operation?

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The Kremlin accused Ukrainian fighters of entering its territory, in a region bordering Ukraine, which Moscow labeled as a "terrorist attack."

Russian President Vladimir Putin said "neo-Nazis" and "terrorists" had opened fire on civilians in the southern Bryansk region.

"Our soldiers and officers... protect against neo-Nazis and terrorists... those who today committed another terrorist attack, penetrated the border area and opened fire on civilians," Putin said in a televised address.

Ukraine responded to the accusation saying it was a "deliberate provocation."




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03 Mar 2023, 3:31 am

I don't think using Leopards around Bakhmut now would be a good idea. Until they are the Leopard 1 tanks, roughly equivalent to T-62.
Best tanks need to be saved for the spring offensives, when steppe becomes passable with them.

The situation in and around Bakhmut is changing hour by hour, back and forth, with plenty of fog of war. The big picture is, the goal of both sides is to give their enemy heavy losses. According to the analysts I listened to, if Russian losses are 5:1, Ukraine is winning it; if Russian losses are 2:1, Russians are winning - in such case, Ukraine is losing more ability to fight than Russia. So, it's tricky to do it right.
But from this picture, you can see that saving ability to continue to fight is more important for Ukrainians than saving Bakhmut.


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03 Mar 2023, 3:50 am

magz wrote:
I don't think using Leopards around Bakhmut now would be a good idea. Until they are the Leopard 1 tanks, roughly equivalent to T-62.
Best tanks need to be saved for the spring offensives, when steppe becomes passable with them.


The situation in and around Bakhmut is changing hour by hour, back and forth, with plenty of fog of war. The big picture is, the goal of both sides is to give their enemy heavy losses. According to the analysts I listened to, if Russian losses are 5:1, Ukraine is winning it; if Russian losses are 2:1, Russians are winning - in such case, Ukraine is losing more ability to fight than Russia. So, it's tricky to do it right.
But from this picture, you can see that saving ability to continue to fight is more important for Ukrainians than saving Bakhmut.


Things were getting desperate on the flanks.
The suggestion was that they would be used on high grounds to dominate.


Some think Bakhmut is of political significance rather than a military one.
Personally speaking, being an armchair general who has played many computer war games, I'd get my men the hell out of Bukhmut.

Recently, (within the week, I think), one of the main commanders (perhaps the head honcho) was replaced.
I was wondering if he was advocating a retreat to avoid a "Stalingrad" type of situation.
I was wondering if the politicians disagreed.
A wild shot in the dark.
Time may tell. <shrug>



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03 Mar 2023, 3:57 am

Yes, time will tell.
If Ukrainians lose Bakhmut, Kramatorsk ends up within "comfortable" range of Russian artillery. And Kramatorsk is super important. So we have the same meat grinder moved closer to a vital artery.
Tanks could be used for counter-flanking or how it's called - cutting off the forces aiming at surrounding you.
Maybe they're doing it.
I can't tell. The fog of war is very dense there.


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03 Mar 2023, 4:18 am

magz wrote:
Yes, time will tell.
If Ukrainians lose Bakhmut, Kramatorsk ends up within "comfortable" range of Russian artillery. And Kramatorsk is super important. So we have the same meat grinder moved closer to a vital artery.
Tanks could be used for counter-flanking or how it's called - cutting off the forces aiming at surrounding you.
Maybe they're doing it.
I can't tell. The fog of war is very dense there.


The tanks would be used as static platforms, to a large degree.
The mud situation there is outrageous, so I have heard, which would make a vehicle counterattack unlikely.



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03 Mar 2023, 5:01 am

^Another reason to keep them until May.
Currently, General Mud reigns.
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The situation around Bakhmut is becoming really bad, a bridge for supplying and possible evacuation has been destroyed.
Some say Ukrainians are retreating, others say they are not. The fog of war is dense.


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03 Mar 2023, 5:37 am

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The situation around Bakhmut is becoming really bad, a bridge for supplying and possible evacuation has been destroyed.
Some say Ukrainians are retreating, others say they are not. The fog of war is dense.


I have heard that heavy ordinance with be lost when they retreat to the west side of the river in Bakhmut.
The river would be an excellent defensive position, obviously.



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03 Mar 2023, 8:43 am

According to comments of general Skrzypczak (a retired Polish general giving interviews to a wide variety of media), Bakhmut has served its purpose of a meat grinder - and even if Ukrainians lose it now, the battle of Bakhmut probably debilitated Russian forces enough to prevent the feared big offensive this spring - while Ukrainians are keeping their best units and preparing new hardware they are getting from the West, waiting for the right weather to strike.

Looking at a map, I believe I see what they should do - but weather they are able to do it is a completely different question. Now is the time to provide support.


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03 Mar 2023, 6:52 pm

magz wrote:
According to comments of general Skrzypczak (a retired Polish general giving interviews to a wide variety of media), Bakhmut has served its purpose of a meat grinder - and even if Ukrainians lose it now, the battle of Bakhmut probably debilitated Russian forces enough to prevent the feared big offensive this spring - while Ukrainians are keeping their best units and preparing new hardware they are getting from the West, waiting for the right weather to strike.

Looking at a map, I believe I see what they should do - but weather they are able to do it is a completely different question. Now is the time to provide support.


Bakhmut was a Russian meat grinder.
I'd prefer the Ukrainians remove "The Heros of Bakhmut" if they can. 8)



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