Gun "control" - to protect or disarm the citizens?

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What is your opinion on gun laws?

The only good gun law is the Second Amendment	29%	[ 31 ]
The only good gun law is the Second Amendment	29%	[ 31 ]
There should be some kind of control but not as severe as in Europe	8%	[ 8 ]
There should be some kind of control but not as severe as in Europe	8%	[ 8 ]
There should be a license but not harder to get than the driving license	5%	[ 5 ]
There should be a license but not harder to get than the driving license	5%	[ 5 ]
Guns only belong in shooting clubs or by hunting	6%	[ 6 ]
Guns only belong in shooting clubs or by hunting	6%	[ 6 ]
I'm a total coward, outlaw every gun for civilians	3%	[ 3 ]
I'm a total coward, outlaw every gun for civilians	3%	[ 3 ]

Total votes : 106

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06 Oct 2006, 5:56 am

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Have you ever wanted to murder a never ending thread?

No, I actually love these threads.

Its my ADHD I just can not stay focus on one idea long. Well I cant enjoy it anyway.
I have a list of thread I want to murder.

I'm having major problems with boredom
the last few weeks.

Well, let's go on with the "interesting theory"-thread. I don't seem like a complete jerk in that one, uh? :wink:

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06 Oct 2006, 5:59 am

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And you are a coward from life. You would probably gladly shoot someone just to see them bleed, and would blow your head open when the law came a-knocking.

Oh my! How on earth did you know?

Intuition.

Find a less nihilistic hobby other than bitching about Swedish or Australian gun laws.

For god's sake, you love astronomy. I enjoyed astrophysics! Focus on that rather than you first firearm. Or pyrotechnics. It's dangerous, but I have less of a problem, as pyrotechnics are less directional than guns....

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I've got it! Try to find work at an EOD squad or something. Who knows, they may let you have guns for protection. And if you think working for the government is not a good option for an anarchist like yourself, why don't you console yourself with the fact that either

a)You're bringing it down from the inside.

or

b) You're keeping the bastards honest.

Do these sound like good suggestions to you?

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06 Oct 2006, 6:45 am

Maybe. But as an aspie I probably won't get into an EOD squad in the first place. But those other suggestions sound good.

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06 Oct 2006, 7:11 am

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Maybe. But as an aspie I probably won't get into an EOD squad in the first place. But those other suggestions sound good.

Well, there you go!

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15 Oct 2006, 9:09 am

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Those of you opposed to private ownership of guns, on the basis that one gun death is too much. Well for EXACTLY the same reasons, I am opposed to violent computer/video games.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/60minutes/main702599.shtml
"Can a video game lead to murder?"
"You've got probably millions of kids out there playing violent games like Grand Theft Auto and other violent games, who never hurt a fly," says Bradley. "So what does that do to your theory?"

"You know, not every kid that plays a violent video game is gonna turn to violence. And that's because they don't have all of those other risk factors going on," says Walsh. "It's a combination of risk factors, which come together in a tragic outcome."

If video games lead to just one murder because some kid has a problem distinguishing b/w fiction and reality, then I say ban them all!

We will be in a much safer society without them and they serve no practical purpose anyway.

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15 Oct 2006, 9:27 am

We'll be in a much safer society if we take all people away, then people kill people and the ones who kill others serve no practical purpose anyway...

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15 Oct 2006, 4:30 pm

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Ah, but then would you not ban all other media? TV, Movies, theater, and, dare I say it, books? Columbine wasn't just blamed on Doom, but The Matrix as well. Michael Carneal had a copy of Rage, a book by Stephen King (under the pseudonym Richard Bachman) about a school shooting, in his locker, and Barry Loukatis quoted the book after he killed his teacher (and later killed two other students).

And Bazza, correct me if I'm wrong, but this attitude actually betrays ignorance about the variety of games available, some of which are probably more appropriate to younger kids. Grand Theft Auto, I would classify as "adult entertainment", especially considering the series actually has surprisingly complex (particularly San Andreas) storylines, as well as being deeply satiricaly.

If you are worried about your kids becoming violent Bazza, I would suggest either a Final Fantasy game, or, if even younger and love Disney, the original Kingdom Hearts game.

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15 Oct 2006, 4:37 pm

This thing with blaming video/computer games for violence is nonsens. When I was a kid, they blamed TV. Rubbish. There has always been violence and young boys have always tended to be violent.

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15 Oct 2006, 5:11 pm

i'm all about the second amendment.

when guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns.

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15 Oct 2006, 6:28 pm

University Chicago http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf2001/papers/freedman.html
It may well be that further research will indicate that playing violent video games is harmful

Play station causes murder
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12597970
Updated: 5:15 p.m. ET May 2, 2006

COLUMBUS, Ga. - A 29-year-old man was sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty to killing a friend in a dispute over how to use a PlayStation video game console.

Its no less logical to want to ban video games than wanting to ban guns.

The similar reasons you use to ban guns can be used to argue to ban video games.

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15 Oct 2006, 6:42 pm

It's senseless both to ban guns and video games. You punish everyone for the behavior of a minority of idiots. Typical NT way to handle things. And, again and again and again, the criminals and oppressors will always have guns...

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15 Oct 2006, 7:14 pm

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A little qualifier here. I do not mind people of sound mind using guns for self defence or hunting. Problem is, they will fall into the hands of people who don't realise they aren't a toy (ie kids, but controllable with either a gun cabinet or a condom, hahahaha), who do not know what taking a human life entails, or using guns right (nutters, again controllable), or just who do not give a damn (criminal element, only controllable to a small degree).

To paraphrase:
I do not mind people of sound mind using violent video games for self amusement. Problem is, they will fall into the hands of people who don't realise they aren't a toy (ie people with a tenuous grip on reality), who do not know what taking a human life entails (nutters, again controllable), or just who do not give a damn (criminal element, only controllable to a small degree) who are desensitised by on screen violence.

Ban video games, not guns.

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15 Oct 2006, 9:02 pm

Censorship of any kind along with gun bans have no statistical relationship to violent crime. Has'nt anyone here read the book Freakonomics?? C

The majority of crime is commited by a small violent minority of repeat offenders. These people by and large are the result of broken homes/drug addicted parents and ;poor parenting skills.

If you want to adress the problem of violent crime you do 2 things. 1) Lock away repeat offenders.

2) ISSUE LICENSES AND CONTROL THE USE OF WOMENS VAGINAS!!

The fruit never falls far from the tree people!! Stupid F-ed up women produce stupid f-ed up kids!! !
Who grow up into stupid f-ed up adults who commit the overwhelming majority of crime!! !

Cut off the problem at the source!! !

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15 Oct 2006, 9:26 pm

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Lock away repeat offenders? After all, any kind of eugenics is going to get scorn at best, and at a worst end, accusations of Nazism...

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15 Oct 2006, 11:23 pm

I was just being facetious about licensing vaginas (how would you implement that anyways??) in order to make a point. Many criminals blame their behavior on their upbringing. Although they're right it does'nt excuse their individual actions. Criminals are in one way shape or form made by their environment. Once they reach adulthood, they're almost impossible to re-habilitate. Which is why keeping them locked up (or executing them) is the only solution.

If you read the book "Freakonomics", the only statistic that ALWAYS correlates to crime is abortion. In Romania under communism, Nicolae Ceausescu outlawed abortion. within a few years, the orphanage population exploded. 20 years later, crime shot through the roof, the society de-stabilised and the government was overthrown. The orphanages emptied out onto the streets as the kid grew up and Romania today is a social disaster.

This contrasts countries and regions with high abortion rates. Crime in america has been on the steady decline since the early 90's (20 years after Roe vs Wade).

If you want to get rid of crime, get rid of the people doing it!! ! Even before they're born!!

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16 Oct 2006, 1:37 am

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A rather sickening, if apt, way of putting it....

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