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17 Dec 2015, 3:59 am

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i wouldn't call trump's views those of the common man. his supporters tend to be uneducated angry white males.


Well, white males are literally thee most common man but so what is that makes up the majority of his supporters Many Democrats are uneducated angry minorities, are they any better? Do their concerns not matter? Trump stands against the globalists, against the donor class, against political correctness which is their means of control. Illegal immigration disproportionately punishes the lower class, Trump's populism might be more appealing to across the demographics than you a realize. We've all heard the giant sucking sound of NAFTA which Hillary's husband signed into law so we are to believe she now opposes it and will do something about the massive trade deficit it has helped create?


He stands against common decency and general civil behavior towards others, sure no one likes to walk on egg shells but it doesn't mean the other extreme of being as blatantly offensive as possible at all times is any better.


Words are meaningless, this is the language that we all speak so why do treat politics as if its this solemn thing? Trump has treated a lot people the way they deserved to be treated, him making Jeb Bush almost cry is something I will laugh at for years. John McCain, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, I seriously can't get enough of him taking these losers down a peg. Personally I think actions are more important than words; common decency and general civil behavior to me entails things like not imprisoning millions of of non-violent victimless offenders, invading other countries, or ignoring the Bill of Rights but I guess just having a smiling face and friendly tone while doing it all makes it all okay.


Words are not meaningless, they are how things are expressed...also I could care less about politicians ripping on each other but they shouldn't be making racial slurs, mocking disabled people, fear mongering and scapegoating certain groups of people. How people express themselves is part of behavior.

Even if someone tried to be more subtle and cherry coat their real opinions, that still wouldn't make those things you listed any better. I am not saying he should be censored, better if people can hear just what he thinks...but I don't think he has any business holding political office. Also any nationalistic rhetoric that attempts to scapegoat certain groups and negatively blanket generalize certain segments of the population is dangerous, history shows that.


Any American is allowed to run for office. The problem is that most of the people who would be great at it don't have the money. Trump has money and business sense so he has every right to run for the Presidency. I think the problem is because people relate to him being on tv with The Apprentice which actually was a very successful show - I loved it. It's the same with Jesse Ventura who was a governor, but also a Navy Seal. I respect him, but people still relate to him being a wrestler on tv. I think that being on tv comes back to bite you in the butt.


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17 Dec 2015, 4:05 am

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Any American is allowed to run for office. The problem is that most of the people who would be great at it don't have the money. Trump has money and business sense so he has every right to run for the Presidency. I think the problem is because people relate to him being on tv with The Apprentice which actually was a very successful show - I loved it. It's the same with Jesse Ventura who was a governor, but also a Navy Seal. I respect him, but people still relate to him being a wrestler on tv. I think that being on tv cones back to bite you in the butt.



He has the right, doesn't mean he's actually fit for office besides they can always not get elected and of course there is impeachment, though I suppose they only way they could get that just for saying something would be if they directly order for crimes or violations of the constitution to be committed.

Also I think it takes more than business sense, it helps if you don't alienate segments of the population and aren't supported/condoned by neo nazis, plenty of them are quite fond of trump.


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17 Dec 2015, 4:13 am

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Any American is allowed to run for office. The problem is that most of the people who would be great at it don't have the money. Trump has money and business sense so he has every right to run for the Presidency. I think the problem is because people relate to him being on tv with The Apprentice which actually was a very successful show - I loved it. It's the same with Jesse Ventura who was a governor, but also a Navy Seal. I respect him, but people still relate to him being a wrestler on tv. I think that being on tv cones back to bite you in the butt.



He has the right, doesn't mean he's actually fit for office besides they can always not get elected and of course there is impeachment, though I suppose they only way they could get that just for saying something would be if they directly order for crimes or violations of the constitution to be committed.

Also I think it takes more than business sense, it helps if you don't alienate segments of the population and aren't supported/condoned by neo nazis, plenty of them are quite fond of trump.


The business sense is going to help when it comes to jobs. Running a country is a business with the creating of jobs, the budget, building, dealing with trade and other countries - Trump has done all that. Most Presidents are either lawyers or have been in another office position like Congress. How is being a lawyer going to help run a country?


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17 Dec 2015, 4:14 am

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make about the law as if our government follows it.

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17 Dec 2015, 4:16 am

Uh.... I believe that was stolen from the Iraqi army.We did not sell that to ISIS. So that is not under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 .The Iraqi Army did not even put up a fight. We cannot be responsible for a nation who cannot control their arms. Congress was even reported and held hearings on the matter as requested under Arms Export Control Act of 1976



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17 Dec 2015, 4:21 am

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Words are not meaningless, they are how things are expressed...also I could care less about politicians ripping on each other but they shouldn't be making racial slurs, mocking disabled people, fear mongering and scapegoating certain groups of people. How people express themselves is part of behavior.

Even if someone tried to be more subtle and cherry coat their real opinions, that still wouldn't make those things you listed any better. I am not saying he should be censored, better if people can hear just what he thinks...but I don't think he has any business holding political office. Also any nationalistic rhetoric that attempts to scapegoat certain groups and negatively blanket generalize certain segments of the population is dangerous, history shows that.


Perhaps you would be interested in reading the thread I posted about demagogues



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17 Dec 2015, 4:23 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Words are not meaningless, they are how things are expressed...also I could care less about politicians ripping on each other but they shouldn't be making racial slurs, mocking disabled people, fear mongering and scapegoating certain groups of people. How people express themselves is part of behavior.

Even if someone tried to be more subtle and cherry coat their real opinions, that still wouldn't make those things you listed any better. I am not saying he should be censored, better if people can hear just what he thinks...but I don't think he has any business holding political office. Also any nationalistic rhetoric that attempts to scapegoat certain groups and negatively blanket generalize certain segments of the population is dangerous, history shows that.


Perhaps you would be interested in reading the thread I posted about demagogues




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17 Dec 2015, 4:28 am

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Uh.... I believe that was stolen from the Iraqi army.We did not sell that to ISIS. So that is not under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 .The Iraqi Army did not even put up a fight. We cannot be responsible for a nation who cannot control their arms. Congress was even reported and held hearings on the matter as requested under Arms Export Control Act of 1976

oh we don't sell terrorists anything, we give it to them AND we pay them

their was aid sent to Syrian "rebels", the bulk of this aid ended up in the hands of ISIS. The majority of those nice moderates that we armed broke off to join ISIS or al-Nusra, either that or they were killed.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar are all American allies yet they all support ISIS

and frenchmanflats, I am having hard time understanding your posts. You are not making a lot of sense..



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17 Dec 2015, 4:31 am

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Any American is allowed to run for office. The problem is that most of the people who would be great at it don't have the money. Trump has money and business sense so he has every right to run for the Presidency. I think the problem is because people relate to him being on tv with The Apprentice which actually was a very successful show - I loved it. It's the same with Jesse Ventura who was a governor, but also a Navy Seal. I respect him, but people still relate to him being a wrestler on tv. I think that being on tv cones back to bite you in the butt.



He has the right, doesn't mean he's actually fit for office besides they can always not get elected and of course there is impeachment, though I suppose they only way they could get that just for saying something would be if they directly order for crimes or violations of the constitution to be committed.

Also I think it takes more than business sense, it helps if you don't alienate segments of the population and aren't supported/condoned by neo nazis, plenty of them are quite fond of trump.


The business sense is going to help when it comes to jobs. Running a country is a business with the creating of jobs, the budget, building, dealing with trade and other countries - Trump has done all that. Most Presidents are either lawyers or have been in another office position like Congress. How is being a lawyer going to help run a country?


Does he plan to increase wages to reflect the cost of living? If not his business experience isn't going to help he's a billionaire who inherited tons of money and invested it. There is a problem of many people working full time and still struggling quite a bit financially what is he going to do about that magically create more jobs that also have terrible wages. I'm also concerned with what he'll do to medicaid, SSI and EBT he doesn't seem to give much of a damn about the poor even the working poor. Yes he would probably be very focused on national wealth but not so concerned with how many citizens actually benefit as is the very wealthy who are the smallest group of the population have the most wealth and resources...what will trump do about that? The issue isn't a simple lack of jobs.


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17 Dec 2015, 4:35 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Uh.... I believe that was stolen from the Iraqi army.We did not sell that to ISIS. So that is not under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 .The Iraqi Army did not even put up a fight. We cannot be responsible for a nation who cannot control their arms. Congress was even reported and held hearings on the matter as requested under Arms Export Control Act of 1976

oh we don't sell terrorists anything, we give it to them AND we pay them

their was aid sent to Syrian "rebels", the bulk of this aid ended up in the hands of ISIS. The majority of those nice moderates that we armed broke off to join ISIS or al-Nusra, either that or they were killed.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar are all American allies yet they all support ISIS

and frenchmanflats, I am having hard time understanding your posts. You are not making a lot of sense..[/quote]

Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar have strategic value to the United States. Qatar makes sure the Persian Gulf stays open. The presence of a large Qatari Air Base, operated by the United States and several other UN nations, provides a guaranteed source of defence and national security. In 2008 Qatar spent US$2.355 billion on military expenditures, 2.3% of the gross domestic product.Saudi Arabia is our ally because they provide the oil that we and the Western world needs. Turkey is our ally because they watch the sea lanes in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea, especially that of the movements of the Russian Navy. They report those movements to NATO headquarters. Its sad, when you resort to insulting people says to me that you are losing the arguement.



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17 Dec 2015, 4:47 am

Qatar plays an active role in the collective defence efforts of the Gulf Cooperation Council; the other five members are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Oman.n September 2014 GCC members Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar plus pending member Jordan, commenced air operations against ISIL in Syria cooperation. Saudi Arabia and the UAE however are among the nations that oppose the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, whereas Qatar has historically supported it. They also pledged other support including operating training facilities for Syrian Rebels (Saudi Arabia) and allowing the use of their airbases by other countries fighting ISIL.



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Jacoby,

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17 Dec 2015, 4:58 am

Trump is the only one talking about stuff like NAFTA and TPP, he's the only one talking about our trade deficit, he isn't taking anybody's money so he isn't beholden to special interest. Illegal immigration is an issue that disproportionately effects the poor and working class, Trump has repeatedly said that he wants to divest out overseas adventurism and invest that money back at home, he complimented socialized medicine in Canada and the UK, on Social Security he wants to substitute our foreign aid instead of raising the retirement age, he's less a conservative ideologue and more of a populist than anything else.

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17 Dec 2015, 4:59 am

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Any American is allowed to run for office. The problem is that most of the people who would be great at it don't have the money. Trump has money and business sense so he has every right to run for the Presidency. I think the problem is because people relate to him being on tv with The Apprentice which actually was a very successful show - I loved it. It's the same with Jesse Ventura who was a governor, but also a Navy Seal. I respect him, but people still relate to him being a wrestler on tv. I think that being on tv cones back to bite you in the butt.



He has the right, doesn't mean he's actually fit for office besides they can always not get elected and of course there is impeachment, though I suppose they only way they could get that just for saying something would be if they directly order for crimes or violations of the constitution to be committed.

Also I think it takes more than business sense, it helps if you don't alienate segments of the population and aren't supported/condoned by neo nazis, plenty of them are quite fond of trump.


The business sense is going to help when it comes to jobs. Running a country is a business with the creating of jobs, the budget, building, dealing with trade and other countries - Trump has done all that. Most Presidents are either lawyers or have been in another office position like Congress. How is being a lawyer going to help run a country?


Does he plan to increase wages to reflect the cost of living? If not his business experience isn't going to help he's a billionaire who inherited tons of money and invested it. There is a problem of many people working full time and still struggling quite a bit financially what is he going to do about that magically create more jobs that also have terrible wages. I'm also concerned with what he'll do to medicaid, SSI and EBT he doesn't seem to give much of a damn about the poor even the working poor. Yes he would probably be very focused on national wealth but not so concerned with how many citizens actually benefit as is the very wealthy who are the smallest group of the population have the most wealth and resources...what will trump do about that? The issue isn't a simple lack of jobs.


Wages can only go so high - that's the problem. Cost of living doesn't include important things - like food, and food will keep going up. Everything keeps going up - food, utilities, etc. but not wages. There's a bust coming that's inevitable - it's supposed to happen once interest rates rise which will bring in hyperinflation and a crash in the stock market. Everything will crash just like in the Great Depression, but it's expected to be worse. No President will be able to stop it.

Medicaid actually pays out more than it should. Here's a story that I'm currently having to deal with when it comes to my aging parents. My parents have saved most of their life and have a pretty good nest egg. However, now my dad is having problems where he needs rehab and to stay in an assisted facility for awhile while he does this rehab. PROBLEM: my parents have medicare and BCBS (two good insurances), but both insurances have stopped paying out until my dad can go 60 days without falling - that's why he's in rehab (weaknesses and falls). So for him to stay in these places my parents have so far paid out about $10,000 and that's only been for about 3 months. One place was $3,000 for 2 weeks! My Ma asked this one nurse how most of the people pay those high costs and the nurse said "medicaid" pays for it. I told my Ma that they may have to get divorced just so she has some money left to live on. That's how the system is flawed for the people who have been saving their entire life - they will come after all of your savings and your house if you don't have long term health care insurance. Anyone reading this, make sure you get longterm health insurance at least by age 50. It's actually better if you have nothing.


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17 Dec 2015, 5:08 am

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Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar have strategic value to the United States. Qatar makes sure the Persian Gulf stays open. The presence of a large Qatari Air Base, operated by the United States and several other UN nations, provides a guaranteed source of defence and national security. In 2008 Qatar spent US$2.355 billion on military expenditures, 2.3% of the gross domestic product.Saudi Arabia is our ally because they provide the oil that we and the Western world needs. Turkey is our ally because they watch the sea lanes in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea, especially that of the movements of the Russian Navy. They report those movements to NATO headquarters. Its sad, when you resort to insulting people says to me that you are losing the arguement.


Is English your first language frenchmanflats? I'm not sure what the point is to anything you are posting, you don't just post a piece of information without any context and expect me to know where you want to go with that. That whole AECA thing to me was a non-sequitur, are you trying to say that America hasn't given any weapons to our enemies since 1976 because it's the law? I mean, you know that's not true right? Yes, the Saudis/Turks/Qataris are our "strategic allies" meaning we support them and they support those who want to kill us, we should ally with Russia and Iran instead of the Sunni Arabs and Turkey should be ejected from NATO and the Kurds given their own state.