Please stop with the excess hatred and anger of Trump

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Related to the title of this thread in that people who even tangentially support him or oppose people who don't like him are attacked: Lindsey Stirling is getting huge backlash from posting that anti Women's March copypasta on her Facebook page. I guess it's been a good run for her.
Whether or not I agree with her is irrelevant. She doesn't deserve that crap.

But I guess that one actress(forget her name) who said something opposed to trump deserves all the crap she got...

I don't know what actress you're referring to but nobody deserves to be attacked for their beliefs. And that's a bit defensive of you to assume I'm a hypocrite when nowhere in my post did I say that I support or oppose Trump. I only brought up Lindsey Stirling because I'm a fan of her and the post was brought to my attention. I'm not trying to exclude or delegitimize anybody else's experience. This Facebook incident is just one example of people on both sides overreacting.

So, people who believe in the ISIS version of Islam don't deserve to be attacked? And liberals get called moral relativists?

Actually, a lot of even the most senior public servants are not hired by the president, and lower down in the organisation the connection becomes looser and looser. If you notice, recently quite a few senior personnel at your foreign office (don't know the US term) resigned. Some of those were people who'd stayed on for several administrations. The stability of the bureaucracy ensures that even though political direction changes, there will be people who know how to do things. Part of G.W Bush's problem in Iraq was insisting on sending in people with little international experience to build an administration. It was a rather spectacular fail.

Of course, when the bureaucracy feel disrespected and dig their heels in, it can get ugly. Which is why you need a free press having access to what goes on in government agencies, so they can nip at the heels of both administration and politicians.

Technically, what you say is right, but that's not how it works in practice. And if it did work like that, the country would be turned upside down with every new President, and nobody would ever get anything done; all they would do would be discussing strategy and never putting it into action.

A lot of what happens in a country is not down to its laws, but is an expression of culture. You could view it as some very precious bacteria that has to be fed and protected. You have all kinds of professional cultures, political culture, legal culture. It's all about unspoken agreements on how things should be done. Institutions are important for supporting these cultures and standards. What happens when a country deteriorates is that institutions that protect cultures are destroyed; slowly things that should be done are not done; people lose trust in the system, then in one another; then come the attacks on public education - whoever is in power wants to turn children into useful idiots when they grow up.

You took that sentence out of context and jumped to conclusions. I admit that I wrote that at 2 AM and the wording isn't perfect, but I obviously wasn't referring to terrorists.

I tend to view attacking people as a last resort. I don't see much point in complaining about being attacked, though. Is it that difficult to consider that they might have a point and engage in a little self-examination? Sure, some repeated attacks are easy to dismiss, and the ones that sting will sting even more if you start probing them, but flat denial strikes me as ignoring information. Don't ignore information; it's rare enough.

Take two criticisms that I received recently: a suggestion to take more time to explain my views, and a suggestion that I am an idiot. One had an impact, the other one was just fun to toss off.

When I can get five minutes of sleep I'll respond properly. I'm sure I'm actually being a total b**h and don't realize it.

Edit to add that it is 3 AM and my neighbors are doing karaoke, I'm not blaming anyone on this forum for my lack of sleep and I'm not attacking anyone other than myself in this post.

You mean this?:

I agree with you, and there are many things that I am probably failing to see in him. All of the actions he's taken have been for the US (and his personal business interests but that's something else) but the way he addresses foreign nations and often nations of a specific region are what I dislike. I come from one of those countries, and I would like a bit more respect towards it. I am completely loyal to the united states however and seeing as he is our president I support the actions he takes that do not conflict with me on a personal level. Well, once they've conflicted with me that's when my opinions must change for the safety of me, my friends and family, and my ancestral country which I have great ties to. Don't pretend that's not common. During WWI many Americans were motivated to join the Allies for a multitude of reasons, but one of those reasons was due to a common ethnic heritage between England (and greater British aisles) and the US, and I feel like I have that right as well.

I got off tangent, but the basis of my (recent) dislike for trump is his stereotyping of this region. Perhaps it's not him, and it's just my traditionalist view, but I do honestly wish for the whole region to restore to it's pre-Abrahamic roots. I feel like it's been categorized under Muslim, and every other division amongst these people has been erased. It's like joining people we hate together and saying they're all one, always were one, and always will be one.

I agree with this statement. All around me people are wishing him the worst. He's not my pick, but he's my president, and he's now the leader of this whole country. Our best bet is to make sure he does the best damn job he can possibly do so we can keep continuing in the right direction, neither the politically right or the left, but the direction of human rights, progress, safety, and stability for all citizens of the US and anyone that wishes to improve the world.

Hear hear!

Reported.

Sometimes people are gonna dislike you on this forum and give this treatment. Wilburforce did it to many people myself included we might as well leave it. This seems to be a dispute between two people that are upset not one person doing something to another.

Thanks, but you're too late.



I've never said that to anyone on a forum before. This case was rather exceptional and in direct response to a completely unwarranted vicious personal attack which was full of balderdash.

If everyone started name calling when they got frustrated the site wouldn't function.