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Tempus Fugit
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13 Nov 2020, 4:29 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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Republicans will have to enlighten me, as I still can't see how Trump had actually won.


Well, once you remove the invalid (liberal) votes Donald Trump won in a landslide with 96.4% of the popular vote.


Yes exactly. Why is that so hard to understand and or unacceptable to a few people? :scratch:

This would have been a lot easier if Biden had just conceded right away :roll:


got my sarcasm fix ahhhh



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13 Nov 2020, 5:24 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Republicans will have to enlighten me, as I still can't see how Trump had actually won.


Well, once you remove the invalid (liberal) votes Donald Trump won in a landslide with 96.4% of the popular vote.


Yes exactly. Why is that so hard to understand and or unacceptable to a few people? :scratch:

This would have been a lot easier if Biden had just conceded right away :roll:


got my sarcasm fix ahhhh


Actually your sarcasm is on point.



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13 Nov 2020, 3:04 pm

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Biden now leads Georgia...

At this rate, Biden stands to win 306-232, but Georgia will likely have to be settled by recount.

Multiple news agencies have now made the final call for the election.

Biden wins Georgia, and Trump wins North Carolina, so the electoral votes end up being 306-232.

As of now, Biden stands to win with a lead of slightly more than 5 million votes and a popular vote margin of 3.4 percent.



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13 Nov 2020, 3:49 pm

I'm about to block one of my aunt's... She just posted on FB that all Liberals are F******...
I dislike her anyway because she's verbally abusive to me if I disagree with bad uncle, and when I lived in the trailer park she manages with bad uncle, she got ahold of me and my husband's SSNs then they put the utilities in our name, didn't tell us, and then refused to pay them.....


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13 Nov 2020, 5:19 pm

^ Go ahead and block her.



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13 Nov 2020, 5:22 pm

BIDEN V. TRUMP: RESULTS ACCORDING TO THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Called

Arizona 11
California 55
Colorado 9
Connecticut 7
Delaware 3
District of Columbia 3
Hawaii 4
Illinois 20
Maine 3/4
Maryland 10
Massachusetts 11
Michigan 16
Minnesota 10
Nebraska 1/5
Nevada 6
New Hampshire 4
New Jersey 14
New Mexico 5
New York 29
Oregon 7
Pennsylvania 20
Rhode Island 4
Vermont 3
Virginia 13
Washington 12
Wisconsin 10

Alabama 9
Alaska 3
Arkansas 6
Florida 29
Idaho 4
Indiana 11
Iowa 6
Kansas 6
Kentucky 8
Louisiana 8
Maine 1/4
Mississippi 6
Missouri 10
Montana 3
Nebraska 4/5
North Carolina 15
North Dakota 3
Ohio 18
Oklahoma 7
South Carolina 9
South Dakota 3
Tennessee 11
Texas 38
Utah 6
West Virginia 5
Wyoming 3


11+55+9+7+3+3+4+20+3+10+11+16+10+1+6+4+14+5+29+7+20+4+3+13+12+10=290
9+3+6+29+4+11+6+6+8+8+1+6+10+3+4+15+3+18+7+9+3+11+38+6+5+3=232

Waiting

Georgia 16 (49.5% 49.2%)



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13 Nov 2020, 5:25 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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"Well it's true" is a BS excuse for expressing prejudice. "Hey man it's the truth, it's a fact those people come from s**thole countries and are poorly educated and are mostly criminals and..."


But saying something is the truth isn't a means to express prejudice when the facts back the truth, as they do with Biden's election despite Republican denial of that fact.


Saying "it's true" without providing the "evidence" on which the person making the statement was relying, does nothing to prove the accuracy of the claim.

As to your "denial of fact" assertion: I'm sure you can point out where in the electoral process for the position of President it states that the AP (or some other media organisation) is responsible for declaring the winner, rather than the individual "Secretary of state" (or equivalent) in each state, or that this is determined before recounts\canvassing\legal challenges are finalised. Otherwise, it would appear that it is not the Republicans who are denying facts in your example, but rather those preaturely claiming victory (which still appears likely to occur) - Until the process is completed, he has not "won" nor been "elected as the next President".


The media calling the winner of an election has never been called into question till now by Republicans. I'd be interested in seeing how a Trump victory could happen even with the few remaining states where the vote hasn't been entirely counted.


It would depend on what possible challenges to the votes were raised and succeeded: For example, if votes were found to have been accepted and counted when they had been received after the legal cut-off time, that could affect the count for the state in question. Similarly, if a recount found differing numbers (either more\less ballots than expected, or numbers added to the incorrect candidate's total), that could also change the results in states where the vote has been "counted" - The result isn't based on the initial count (which media is hyping), but on the final count\result of recount\canvassing, as declared by the state's "Secretary of State" (or equivalent) and after challenges are resolved (either in favour of, or against the reason supplied for the challenge).


If the votes were late but postmarked, as I understand it they still counted.


Being that the polls are state, rather than federal, polls, each state has its own rules: In some, the postmark date is what is used (with X days after polls closed available for them to be delivered), whilst in others they have to be received by a set time on the day of the election.

One of the cases that has been launched relates to the state Supreme court in Pennsylvania altering these dates and whether this is something that the court had the power to do, or whether it is somthing that only the legislative branch has the power to change. The recent decision in another minor case in that state does now provide precedent for this case, but is not neccesarily an indicator of how the other case will go as each case is reliant on the arguments presented by each side:
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In Thursday's order, Leavitt agreed with a challenge by the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee to guidance issued Nov. 1 by Pennsylvania's top election official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat.

In that guidance, Boockvar advised counties to allow voters to provide the necessary identification within nine days after the Nov. 3 election, or through Thursday.

That three-day extension was strictly for voters whose ballots that had arrived within a three-day grace period after Election Day allowed by the state Supreme Court.

Leavitt, however, wrote that Boockvar lacked the authority to move back the deadline to provide identification by three days.

Source: https://www.wmur.com/article/court-sides-with-president-trump-blocks-small-number-of-ballots-in-pennsylvania-over-id-issues/34662483


Regardless, as I understand it, those late postmarked ballots were set aside and Biden still won.


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13 Nov 2020, 5:28 pm

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I'm about to block one of my aunt's... She just posted on FB that all Liberals are F******...
I dislike her anyway because she's verbally abusive to me if I disagree with bad uncle, and when I lived in the trailer park she manages with bad uncle, she got ahold of me and my husband's SSNs then they put the utilities in our name, didn't tell us, and then refused to pay them.....


She sounds like an evil, evil woman.


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13 Nov 2020, 5:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Republicans will have to enlighten me, as I still can't see how Trump had actually won.


Well, once you remove the invalid (liberal) votes Donald Trump won in a landslide with 96.4% of the popular vote.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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13 Nov 2020, 5:46 pm

Angnix wrote:
I'm about to block one of my aunt's... She just posted on FB that all Liberals are F******...
I dislike her anyway because she's verbally abusive to me if I disagree with bad uncle, and when I lived in the trailer park she manages with bad uncle, she got ahold of me and my husband's SSNs then they put the utilities in our name, didn't tell us, and then refused to pay them.....


I assume she was your landlord because she somehow had a hold of your SSN.

So sorry she f****d you over with bad credit. I wish utility companies made it harder for people to put things in their names so they can prove is it them like photo ID for example, birth certificate, marriage license to prove you are the person of that name in order to avoid stuff like this. Maybe someday that will change.

Moment I lived on my own and had put the electric bill in my name in my own apartment, I was surprised how simple it was and I didn't need to send them anything so I told my husband I could have used any name I had known and give them some random numbers for SSN.


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13 Nov 2020, 7:15 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Angnix wrote:
I'm about to block one of my aunt's... She just posted on FB that all Liberals are F******...
I dislike her anyway because she's verbally abusive to me if I disagree with bad uncle, and when I lived in the trailer park she manages with bad uncle, she got ahold of me and my husband's SSNs then they put the utilities in our name, didn't tell us, and then refused to pay them.....


I assume she was your landlord because she somehow had a hold of your SSN.

So sorry she f****d you over with bad credit. I wish utility companies made it harder for people to put things in their names so they can prove is it them like photo ID for example, birth certificate, marriage license to prove you are the person of that name in order to avoid stuff like this. Maybe someday that will change.

Moment I lived on my own and had put the electric bill in my name in my own apartment, I was surprised how simple it was and I didn't need to send them anything so I told my husband I could have used any name I had known and give them some random numbers for SSN.


I had to sign a lease and the lease required SSNs on it...


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13 Nov 2020, 7:26 pm

Personally I am pleased that a democrat has won the election.
I find the republicans all too totalitarian for my liking's

I also do not approve of a lack of health services for the lower classes.
Such a policy i feel is unethical. this is not because i am a communist
but because i am a humanitarian.

I believe every human being born on this planet has the right to life, health, shelter, food, perhaps even employment if interested (although in the future the opportunities will be lesser as time moves on).

So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.

Personally i would prefer the politicians to get rid of their party names, and name themselves after their true nature.
For example some are humanitarian or even altruistic.
Some are purely capitalistic.
Others are war mongers and sadists.

It would be much better for the gen pop to understand where each of the politicians are are based on a psychological profile based on their entire life behaviours to date.

Instead of listening to bs that candidates spout during the elections.

If we had such great info on each candidate then we would know with our hearts what type of person we are voting for instead of what type of person the candidate is pretending to be.



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14 Nov 2020, 6:59 am

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Personally I am pleased that a democrat has won the election.

Because they will start real wars instead of trade wars and sell the peoples rights faster?

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I believe every human being born on this planet has the right to life, health, shelter, food, perhaps even employment if interested (although in the future the opportunities will be lesser as time moves on).

Not every human on this planet thinks about you the same way and not even few would like you even dead.

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So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types) i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.

Because they are the opposite of that?
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/poli ... index.html

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Personally i would prefer the politicians to get rid of their party names, and name themselves after their true nature.
For example some are humanitarian or even altruistic.
Some are purely capitalistic.
Others are war mongers and sadists.

Humans are more complex and not just one way as well as they have more then just one goal.

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If we had such great info on each candidate then we would know with our hearts what type of person we are voting for instead of what type of person the candidate is pretending to be.

You only elect the one who becomes paid most by the big companies after his election for politics that just sweets them. Wars are a great deal for the military–industrial complex. Not starting new wars like Trump was a nightmare for them.


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14 Nov 2020, 8:43 am

quite an extreme wrote:
You only elect the one who becomes paid most by the big companies after his election for politics that just sweets them. Wars are a great deal for the military–industrial complex. Not starting new wars like Trump was a nightmare for them.


So probably they were thinking hothead Trump was going to start a war for them. And then he didn't deliver.



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14 Nov 2020, 10:45 am

madbutnotmad wrote:
Personally I am pleased that a democrat has won the election.
I find the republicans all too totalitarian for my liking's

I also do not approve of a lack of health services for the lower classes.
Such a policy i feel is unethical. this is not because i am a communist
but because i am a humanitarian.

I believe every human being born on this planet has the right to life, health, shelter, food, perhaps even employment if interested (although in the future the opportunities will be lesser as time moves on).

So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.


I agree with you on these points. I’m baffled at how to solve the overall problem. I recognize that wish for everyone to be straight forward and honest. I still struggle with accepting that others lie without compunction.


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14 Nov 2020, 2:37 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
You only elect the one who becomes paid most by the big companies after his election for politics that just sweets them. Wars are a great deal for the military–industrial complex. Not starting new wars like Trump was a nightmare for them.


But arms sales to Saudi Arabia so the Saudis could continue their war in Yemen was not. Naturally, Trump has not ended a single war, so arms sales are still going strong with the US military. And the assassination of an Iraqi general on a peace meeting in Iraq and the illegal sanction of Iran did not lower the risk of war.

But then Trump hates our allies like Germany and would rather make friends with dictators. He abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria giving Russia and Turkey a strategic advantage in the area. He is attacking Germany for their energy agreement with Russia and has pulled troops from Germany. He has attacked NATO. He has attacked US intelligence services, preferring to trust Putin. He gave the North Korean regime a huge boost to their legitimacy without having them concede anything.

Oddly enough, Trump did use the armed forces against US citizens in America, which is not what our troops are for.

No, Trump has not started a single war. But I am not sure we can say the world is a safer place than it was four years ago. And since arms from US manufacturers are sent to other nations, probably including Germany, I doubt they are complaining.