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02 Feb 2022, 1:42 am

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The first example of this kind of thing I noticed was decades ago when the Tories in the UK wanted to have the general election during what was called "the works weeks," which was a fortnight in summer when the working class would traditionally take their vacations, because the factories in which they worked would make them go to work apart from those 2 weeks. Postal ballots for able-bodied people didn't really happen in those days, so they'd have been out of town and therefore unable to vote. Of course some of the working class were Tory supporters, but more of them were Labour supporters, so the Tories would have gained. The Tories were called out for it, but I can't remember whether they backed down or not.


Heh, that's actually the liberal move here in the US, scheduling off year elections in areas where they control the public sector unions at odd times so that only really interested and committed people turn out, which in practice means union members who've been given the time off. It's not as flashy as what the GOP has been trying to do, or at least it's a harder story to tell on TV and not one that any of the non-FOX networks is interested in telling, but it's been going on for decades.


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02 Feb 2022, 2:06 am

The main reason Trump is popular as a politician is that he talks with people - not at people.

He eats the people's hamburger's & he talks to the people he represents - as if he is the same economically deprvied person that they are.

This quality alone is shocking enough for a politician to override the fact that he is absurdly a billionaire, representing the working class.



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02 Feb 2022, 2:07 am

I feel that maybe the main reason why Trump is so hated is because he is a republican though. If he was a democrat and ran with that party, people wouldn't hate him as much in comparison?



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02 Feb 2022, 2:08 am

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I feel that maybe the main reason why Trump is so hated is because he is a republican though. If he was a democrat and ran with that party, people wouldn't hate him as much in comparison?


Yeah, but that wouldn't work because of wokeology from the Democrats.

But yes, you are fundamentally correct.



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02 Feb 2022, 2:35 am

Oh why wouldn't that work from wokeology exactly?



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02 Feb 2022, 2:53 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
This quality alone is shocking enough for a politician to override the fact that he is absurdly a billionaire, representing the working class.


Reminds me of Dave Chapelle's first SNL monologue following Trump's election.



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02 Feb 2022, 1:19 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Heh, that's actually the liberal move here in the US, scheduling off year elections in areas where they control the public sector unions at odd times so that only really interested and committed people turn out, which in practice means union members who've been given the time off. It's not as flashy as what the GOP has been trying to do, or at least it's a harder story to tell on TV and not one that any of the non-FOX networks is interested in telling, but it's been going on for decades.

Oh yes, both sides are at it for sure. Another game they've played in the UK has been to rearrange the boundaries of the electoral regions. And a related trick is, when one of their elite members looks like being voted out of their constituency, they get moved to a safer one.



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02 Feb 2022, 1:41 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
The main reason Trump is popular as a politician is that he talks with people - not at people.

He eats the people's hamburger's & he talks to the people he represents - as if he is the same economically deprvied person that they are.

This quality alone is shocking enough for a politician to override the fact that he is absurdly a billionaire, representing the working class.

For all I know he might do a bit of listening when he's with his supporters (though his personality does seem to be too egocentric for that), but he just did his best to annoy everybody else I think. I remember on the day of the solar eclipse he posted a picture of his head eclipsing Obama's. Probably music to the ears of a staunch Trump supporter, but did they ever stop to wonder what would happen if there was a serious crisis that desperately needed mature leadership, and all they'd got was a narcissistic clown?

I think you're quite right about the absurdity of a billionaire being taken for a working class hero.



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02 Feb 2022, 1:53 pm

I guess a better question would be why would anyone want either of the miserable choices we're served up every four years.

The thought that rolled around my head in 2016 and 2020 was, "Holy s**t! One of these mother f*****s is going to be our next president!"


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02 Feb 2022, 5:05 pm

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I'm not sure they do particularly want either of the miserable choices they're faced with. I think for a lot of people it's just a matter of keeping the greater of two evils out of power.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 086d7e4de6

Some people who understood the danger of supporting Tony Blair's "New Labour" were hoping it would shift to the left once it was in power. Similarly, some people expressed the hope that the responsibility of the job would make a man of Trump. They were wrong in both cases. But it does show that, for them, they knew that the leopard they were voting for would need to change its spots if it was going to give them what they really wanted.

I guess it's like having to choose between chemotherapy and cancer. You absolutely don't want either, but you can't choose "neither of these," so you have to pick the one that looks like the least horrible option.



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02 Feb 2022, 5:19 pm

The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is that it never solves anything, the country keeps sliding downhill. The only way to reverse that course is massive resistance against the system as a whole. Probably an impossibly, I suspect. We're just going the route of all empires throughout history. We're in the final stage. Collapse is inevitable, I'm afraid.


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02 Feb 2022, 10:03 pm

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Well, maybe, but the British empire collapsed some time ago, yet the UK is still trudging on somehow. The downtrodden masses are still being trodden down, but probably no more than they ever were.



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03 Feb 2022, 11:37 am

I bet the answer is in this book:

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03 Feb 2022, 12:35 pm

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The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is that it never solves anything, the country keeps sliding downhill. The only way to reverse that course is massive resistance against the system as a whole. Probably an impossibly, I suspect. We're just going the route of all empires throughout history. We're in the final stage. Collapse is inevitable, I'm afraid.


Could the solution be that if a person wants to be elected President, he/she needs to have certain qualifications to do so, to route out more evil or wrongdoing? Unless I am mistaken, it seems like JUST ANYONE can run for the Presidency, and this is probably a problem, when you want moral and smart leaders? Like what you could only elect someone who not only has a good track record of doing good things all their life, but also, has an IQ of like 200 or something like that?



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03 Feb 2022, 12:44 pm

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VegetableMan wrote:
The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is that it never solves anything, the country keeps sliding downhill. The only way to reverse that course is massive resistance against the system as a whole. Probably an impossibly, I suspect. We're just going the route of all empires throughout history. We're in the final stage. Collapse is inevitable, I'm afraid.


Could the solution be that if a person wants to be elected President, he/she needs to have certain qualifications to do so, to route out more evil or wrongdoing? Unless I am mistaken, it seems like JUST ANYONE can run for the Presidency, and this is probably a problem, when you want moral and smart leaders? Like what you could only elect someone who not only has a good track record of doing good things all their life, but also, has an IQ of like 200 or something like that?


I don't think so. We just elected one of worst Democrats imaginable with nearly five decades of experience. The problem is it's now impossible for any good candidates to rise to the top because the system is designed to ensure they don't.


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03 Feb 2022, 2:03 pm

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Could the solution be that if a person wants to be elected President, he/she needs to have certain qualifications to do so, to route out more evil or wrongdoing? Unless I am mistaken, it seems like JUST ANYONE can run for the Presidency, and this is probably a problem, when you want moral and smart leaders? Like what you could only elect someone who not only has a good track record of doing good things all their life, but also, has an IQ of like 200 or something like that?

I see the attraction of the idea, but who would decide who was fit to be president? I suppose a transparent IQ test could serve for the intelligence part (though there'd be room for mischief in the choice of questions), but I can't imagine a morality test that would be non-contentious. And I gather it's some kind of ideal that anybody can become president, just as anybody can become a billionaire - not that I think either of those things are actually true in practice.