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25 Oct 2012, 8:12 am

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It is quite silly, and a waste of resources, to prosecute people for "crimes" where no-one and nothing is damaged. In fact, the result of the "crime" was quite the contrary. The boy was much satisfied with his orgasm.

This is BS. Underage women sometimes agree to participate in sexual relationships with adult men; if she's 14 and he's 25, it's still statutory rape whether she has an orgasm or not. The entire point is that an adult has so much more experience than a child and can be coercive without the child even realizing it.


Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.


because the marriage market is such a good idea to encourage,
any system where sex devalues a person is probably more wrong than any of the sex acts it condems, in the case of any actual "marriage" market the emaning is self evident.
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25 Oct 2012, 9:20 am

Oodain wrote:
because the marriage market is such a good idea to encourage,

Lots of people eventually marry, which involves competing for a spouse.

Oodain wrote:
any system where sex devalues a person is probably more wrong than any of the sex acts it condems, in the case of any actual "marriage" market the emaning is self evident.
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"Rape" is worse than "marriage?"



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25 Oct 2012, 10:30 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
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because the marriage market is such a good idea to encourage,

Lots of people eventually marry, which involves competing for a spouse.

Oodain wrote:
any system where sex devalues a person is probably more wrong than any of the sex acts it condems, in the case of any actual "marriage" market the emaning is self evident.
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"Rape" is worse than "marriage?"


never said anything about marriage in general, only the way you described it as a market with specific value.

dating and marrying is quite subjective so to say that something devalues a person in respect with marriage is quite limiting.

but no rape isnt worse than marriage, did you get what i meant by it or are you actually asking?


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25 Oct 2012, 10:40 am

Oodain wrote:
never said anything about marriage in general, only the way you described it as a market with specific value.


People seeking to find a spouse definitely have to market themselves. And, people seek certain qualities in a potential spouse. An economist could break everything down and assign dollar values.

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dating and marrying is quite subjective so to say that something devalues a person in respect with marriage is quite limiting.


There are things that do tend to devalue a person with respect to marriageable potential.

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but no rape isnt worse than marriage, did you get what i meant by it or are you actually asking?


I did not get what you meant in your original statement.



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25 Oct 2012, 11:13 am

Oodain wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
It is quite silly, and a waste of resources, to prosecute people for "crimes" where no-one and nothing is damaged. In fact, the result of the "crime" was quite the contrary. The boy was much satisfied with his orgasm.

This is BS. Underage women sometimes agree to participate in sexual relationships with adult men; if she's 14 and he's 25, it's still statutory rape whether she has an orgasm or not. The entire point is that an adult has so much more experience than a child and can be coercive without the child even realizing it.


Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.


because the marriage market is such a good idea to encourage,
any system where sex devalues a person is probably more wrong than any of the sex acts it condems, in the case of any actual "marriage" market the emaning is self evident.
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Well Oodain, if marriage didn't exist or were abrogated there would STILL be a sex/dating market. That's the price we pay for giving people the freedom to date, mate, and marry whomever they choose. If you want to discourage the marriage market then you should consider moving to a country with arranged marriages.



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25 Oct 2012, 11:15 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.


Tell that to his psychiatrist 20 years from now when he's dealing with narcissistic personality disorder...


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25 Oct 2012, 11:18 am

Anyone who goes around bragging about who they banged is usually always an a**.



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25 Oct 2012, 11:21 am

i am not arguing that there isnt a value, what i am saying is that that value is subjective,
it is also by that logic technically true that a lost virginty would devalue a person, but you can say the same about anything since you probably could find someone somewhere who holds that view, in essence a mute point.

the correct way would have been to say that "to me virginty matters when looking for someone to marry"
in denmark many would say the exact opposite, it is considered healthy to have aliberal attitude towards sex.
im not saying it is better in any way, only different, the values are subjective.

@arrantpariah

what i meant is that if it really is a huge detractor for someone to have had sex before marriage then i would say the system, be it socially enforced or an actual institution like marriage, is at fault, no reason to create guilt where none is needed and i cant for the life of me see why a healthy sex life is something to be shunned.

i also think that such attitudes can cause tangible psychological harm if carried to the extreme, this is less of a point since most things in the extreme will be damaging, but this one actually happens quite a lot in specific circles.


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25 Oct 2012, 1:41 pm

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Anyone who goes around bragging about who they banged is usually always an a**.


Or a teenaged boy.



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25 Oct 2012, 1:46 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Anyone who goes around bragging about who they banged is usually always an a**.


Or a teenaged boy.


After a careful reading of your post, ArriantPariah, I have concluded that you have just been guilty of pleonasm.



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25 Oct 2012, 2:30 pm

visagrunt wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.


Tell that to his psychiatrist 20 years from now when he's dealing with narcissistic personality disorder...


You obviously know more about this area than I do. But, I was under the impression that NPD was a life-long condition, rather than something that could result from teenaged sexploits.



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25 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

O.k.,a teenaged a**.



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25 Oct 2012, 2:49 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
It is quite silly, and a waste of resources, to prosecute people for "crimes" where no-one and nothing is damaged. In fact, the result of the "crime" was quite the contrary. The boy was much satisfied with his orgasm.

This is BS. Underage women sometimes agree to participate in sexual relationships with adult men; if she's 14 and he's 25, it's still statutory rape whether she has an orgasm or not. The entire point is that an adult has so much more experience than a child and can be coercive without the child even realizing it.


Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.

Again, BS. Most western women (~97%, IIrc) are not virgins when they get married. Your concept of the marriage market is a century or so out of date.



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25 Oct 2012, 2:52 pm

Oodain wrote:
what i meant is that if it really is a huge detractor for someone to have had sex before marriage then i would say the system, be it socially enforced or an actual institution like marriage, is at fault, no reason to create guilt where none is needed and i cant for the life of me see why a healthy sex life is something to be shunned.

i also think that such attitudes can cause tangible psychological harm if carried to the extreme, this is less of a point since most things in the extreme will be damaging, but this one actually happens quite a lot in specific circles.


To the extent that Easy A is reflective of American cultural mores

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbPnqyvItk[/youtube]

A teenaged girl who loses her virginity tends to be regarded negatively. A boy would be regarded in a positive light.

Some Islamic women undergo hymenoplasties to fool their eventual husbands

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... night.html

And, here is a lady who had to prove her virginity, or the man wouldn't have married her

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtfbrnaciQ[/youtube]



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25 Oct 2012, 3:09 pm

LKL wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
It is quite silly, and a waste of resources, to prosecute people for "crimes" where no-one and nothing is damaged. In fact, the result of the "crime" was quite the contrary. The boy was much satisfied with his orgasm.

This is BS. Underage women sometimes agree to participate in sexual relationships with adult men; if she's 14 and he's 25, it's still statutory rape whether she has an orgasm or not. The entire point is that an adult has so much more experience than a child and can be coercive without the child even realizing it.


Well, of course, a girl whose hymen is ruptured or who becomes pregnant loses value on the marriage market.

But, a 16 year old boy, with a hot high school teacher, is nothing but huge bragging rights as far as the boy is concerned.

Again, BS. Most western women (~97%, IIrc) are not virgins when they get married. Your concept of the marriage market is a century or so out of date.
Why wait till marriage to have sex in the first place? Its best to test the water before jumping in am I right?


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25 Oct 2012, 3:17 pm

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Why wait till marriage to have sex in the first place? Its best to test the water before jumping in am I right?


And get your noodle wet?