The end of Obamacare?

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What can I say?

For everyone on here:
I might be a minority here, but I will say what I feel. I might be asshat, but when I debate on a message forum, I will try to use facts to back me up.
I understand most people on here are more towards the left,and I will respect that. But I am going to say what is in my heart.
I was raise with the understanding that the world don't you anything. You want to be sucessful, you have to work hard for it. If you fail, you get back up and try again.
My grandfather a true Patriot in my book, raised me up with that mentality. I might fail a few times, but I'm willing to keep going. The idea of govt trying to give sucess to you with no strings attached is a communist idea IMO. I rather earn it, not have it given to me.

Right on, welcome to the club.

As long there isn't too many Red Wings fans on here, I can debate with pretty much anyone.

What is your definition of "success"? Does it ever cross your mind that not everyone is interested in joining the silly capitalist rat race? Some people live for things other than "success" you know.

Who's stopping em from living for those things?

Don't like the American capitalist system, you can always move to France, or Communisr Cuba. In fact Cuba has free health care for their citizens, just the type you would like though.

Nothing. I'm just sick of conservatives who think people who don't share their ideology are "jealous" of rich people, or want a "free ride to success". You all know it's BS, so stop repeating it.

Funny how the left seem to like bashing the rich. Also the left want America to give all these entitlement programs no matter how much those can bankrupt our country.

Actually I don't have a problem with capitalism, just people like you. Stop projecting dumbass assertions on people you disagree with. You're not a f*****g mind reader.

Oh no you don't join my fan club. Booo hooo

Chiefy, I do intend to tell it how it is. Sometimes the truth hurts; but hey don't like, not my problem.

Embarrasing it was just pointed out to me that demaark is a rather nice country and was rated by forbes
as the best country to do business in in the EU.
even though they are commies.

Still couldn't get me to live in Denmark.

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Do you have any idea how expensive health care is through an employer. My Government Retiree plan cost myself and my wife almost $6000 a year. For folks making $17,000 in fulltime positions for DOD Non appropriated positions they still pay almost $6000 a year for a family if they want Government employee based insurance. With the new health care plan they will be covered under medicaid and pay nothing if they make $29,000 with a family of four.

There are lots of people who make $22,000 a year and have to pay this kind of money if they want employer based insurance. Do you think they are going to complain about paying $440 a year? Besides, if you don't like handouts what is incredible about somebody paying a small portion of the costs.

I agree that the CBO estimates are unlikely to match reality, but using your own rationale and the current employer rates, how does anyone making under $44,000 a year afford it now. $3000 is better than $6000. Can you see the problem people have without health care reform. And we are talking about people who have the ability to buy employer based plans that are guaranteed coverage.

Without that you are talking close to $13,000 to pay for the full price of the coverage; if you are lucky enough to qualify. And the emergency room net doesn't solve the problem for families. No disrespect intended, but you can't possibly understand it fully unless you have a family. I'm thinking your parents probably understand the need for insurance.

Don't you think these people have waited long enough for some kind of assistance to pay for care that has become unaffordable for so many?

And, if there is a better way to do it, should people have to wait another five years to get help?

As it stands now, if nothing is done, healthcare is going to bankrupt many more people in the country.

Imagine all of those people that make $44,000 a year and stand to save close to $3000 a year with the new health care plan or $9000 if they pay the full price for existing coverage. Where do you think the other $3000 and $9,000 will go. More than likely to the economy.

I understand that the mandate may go away; but if so, somebody is more than likely going to figure out how to keep the rest of the law intact, even if it means removing the mandate before it gets to the Supreme Court. There is too much at stake for people to wait any longer to get help.

Once people get this coverage it is not likely that any politician is going to take it away, even if it means raising taxes. Yes, they might talk about it, but actually doing it will probably be a different thing.

Again, no disrespect intended, but if your family couldn't afford insurance for you or you couldn't afford it for yourself, how would you pay for your non-generic medication? Do you have any idea how much the full price is for your non-generic medication?

For some medications we're talking hundreds of dollars per month. You don't have to deal with this; neither do I, but many do on a daily basis. What is the answer; right now for them? The emergency room is not going to pay for it.

So, more assertions...ok. Well, it's been fascinating speaking with you. A real eye-opener.



This is just crazy talk. This is not part of the bill, it's from earlier tax laws. But the law specifically prevents the government from pursuing criminal charges as a result of failure to pay your fine at tax time.

Do you really just grab random statements on yahoo answers and try to pass them off as facts?

Here is factcheck.org explaining how the jail rumor is false:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/impris ... alth-care/

And your first "source" was a blog from 2009. As is the 2cd. Long before the current law was finished and passed. It doesnt reference the expansion in medicaid at all, for example. He also seems to use imprecise language and switch from individual requirements to household family requirement at whim. Probably in an attempt to confuse stupid people.

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For those that may not have clicked on the link for Denmark. Excerpts from Wiki:

If you like state-level government better Denmark has it.

We already have a mixed market Capitalist economy. Clinton helped reduce the welfare system here.



No need to fear this kind of hell hole in the US. Denmark has a 97 percent homogenous population. The US has one has one of the most heterogenous populations "the melting pot". People have to get along for this kind of thing to work.

It has been reported that in Denmark a person can leave their child unattended on the sidewalk in a stroller with nothing to fear from others. Try to imagine that happening here.

^I don't have a family, but I do work in health care. I think I understand it pretty well.

I'd far rather have single payer, but legislation limiting the abuses of the insurance companies is a step in the right direction.