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17 Aug 2011, 3:57 pm

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In any case too many of us are becoming rich without being productive and that is a situation that bodes no good for our society. I think the productive among us should gain as much as the market permits from their contributions and productions. It is the productive people who make the rest of us prosperous and comfortable.

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Certainly no-one doing actual, productive work is going to get rich from his efforts. He is only going to contribute towards making someone else rich.

I remember during the last decade, our president espousing the idea of what he called an "Ownership Society." Real estate prices and stock prices were bubbling upwards, and many of us were convinced that we were on the verge of becoming a nation of millionaires. We could eliminate Social Security, and no-one would be hurt who wasn't pursuing a career of waitressing or being a Walmart "associate", and there was no reason for anyone to care about these low-lifes, anyway.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU7M4OeSRM[/youtube]



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17 Aug 2011, 4:56 pm

pandabear wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
In any case too many of us are becoming rich without being productive and that is a situation that bodes no good for our society. I think the productive among us should gain as much as the market permits from their contributions and productions. It is the productive people who make the rest of us prosperous and comfortable.

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Certainly no-one doing actual, productive work is going to get rich from his efforts. He is only going to contribute towards making someone else rich.

I remember during the last decade, our president espousing the idea of what he called an "Ownership Society." Real estate prices and stock prices were bubbling upwards, and many of us were convinced that we were on the verge of becoming a nation of millionaires. We could eliminate Social Security, and no-one would be hurt who wasn't pursuing a career of waitressing or being a Walmart "associate", and there was no reason for anyone to care about these low-lifes, anyway.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU7M4OeSRM[/youtube]


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17 Aug 2011, 11:20 pm

:roll:

I never said George W. Bush was perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than our current President.



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17 Aug 2011, 11:41 pm

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I never said George W. Bush was perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than our current President.

You're right. Obama is even more right-wing than Bush, and we can see the dismal consequences all around us.


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17 Aug 2011, 11:59 pm

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I never said George W. Bush was perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than our current President.

You're right. Obama is even more right-wing than Bush, and we can see the dismal consequences all around us.


Obama is about as right wing as a gerbil.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:18 am

Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

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18 Aug 2011, 12:20 am

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Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

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Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:32 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

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18 Aug 2011, 1:37 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.



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18 Aug 2011, 1:46 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.


I'm not talking about excessive taxation - just a return to the rate under Bill Clinton, which is what Obama wants.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Aug 2011, 1:54 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.


I'm not talking about excessive taxation - just a return to the rate under Bill Clinton, which is what Obama wants.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Is he planning on mimicking Clinton now? If that fails in the current situation will he then blame slick willy for his problems?



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18 Aug 2011, 2:05 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Although I hope so, unfortunately that probability is low. Hopefully for the rest of us who don't want another Depression it's not going to be enough to win the next election.


My question was more half humorous, half rhetorical.
But I will continue to stick by my man, Barack, even though he's so far knuckled down to the plutocrats who want to redistribute all the nation's wealth to the top 1%, solely for the sake of being a conciliator.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.


I'm not talking about excessive taxation - just a return to the rate under Bill Clinton, which is what Obama wants.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Is he planning on mimicking Clinton now? If that fails in the current situation will he then blame slick willy for his problems?


Considering that we had pretty amazing prosperity under Clinton, Obama certainly could choose a worse role model.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Aug 2011, 6:26 am

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Considering that we had pretty amazing prosperity under Clinton, Obama certainly could choose a worse role model.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


While Clinton did do some amazing things while in office (who would have expected it from a Democrat?) please note that the economy started going into the tank during the last year of the second Clinton administration. The Dot-Com bubble popped.

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18 Aug 2011, 9:15 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I the only guy who likes Obama anymore?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Liberals seem less inclined to blind partisanship than conservatives, so a Democrat will judge Obama on his record and thus disapprove, and a Republican will never bother to look at the record- they need only know that he is Obama and therefore evil, even though during his entire administration he has been doing exactly what a Republican would do.


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18 Aug 2011, 9:18 am

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Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.

Your economic views are much, much farther left than mine. It's sad that you can be so easily duped into voting against your own interests and your beliefs by the culture warriors, who don't even do a damn thing to actually advance your social conservative beliefs.


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18 Aug 2011, 10:04 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Look, there should be better laws regarding equality of contracts, but the notion of the state declaring eminent domain upon one's belongings, no matter how rich or poor, does not bode well with me. People who are merely heads of businesses shouldn't be contractually benefited from the work of others as much as they are. There should be better measures as to job performance and perhaps a maximum wage or something but not through excessive taxation. Having the contracts of employment, housing, etc, made into negotiable items for each party would be a start, and having such refereed to ensure that swindling doesn't occur would also be good.

Your economic views are much, much farther left than mine. It's sad that you can be so easily duped into voting against your own interests and your beliefs by the culture warriors, who don't even do a damn thing to actually advance your social conservative beliefs.


Enough with the "voting against your own interests" mantra.