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18 Dec 2012, 5:17 pm

You will never see all firearms banned in America. Some of these assault rifles could be banned tho.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:28 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
You will never see all firearms banned in America. Some of these assault rifles could be banned tho.


Care to elaborate on the "assault rifle" thing?


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18 Dec 2012, 5:29 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
You will never see all firearms banned in America. Some of these assault rifles could be banned tho.


Assault rifles are already banned.

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18 Dec 2012, 5:34 pm

I am referring to whatever it is that's about to come up before congress concerning some kind of assault weapon. I bet that will go through and whatever it is will be banned. Sorry, I am not into guns and all the info that goes with them, so I am not full of details on this. I just skimmed over it while reading an article and didn't pay too close attention.

I am sure you gun people know what I am referring to and provide the details here.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:35 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am referring to whatever it is that's about to come up before congress concerning some kind of assault weapon. I bet that will go through and whatever it is will be banned. Sorry, I am not into guns and all the info that goes with them, so I am not full of details on this. I just skimmed over it while reading an article and didn't pay too close attention.

I am sure you gun people know what I am referring to and provide the details here.


I rather not jam up the thread too much with gun facts, come to PPR if you like.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:38 pm

I only mentioned it because I think it has a chance of being passed by congress now. I don't really want to argue gun facts anyway. Just saying I don't believe it's possible for the US to ever ban all firearms. It goes against our culture and won't be accepted.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:41 pm

There is a possibility that any attempt at gun control will pass the Democrat-controlled Senate, but it will be DOA in the GOP-controlled House.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:51 pm

I still blame all this Mayan Doomsday talk. It might be sending some people over the edge. There's been a surge in shootings lately.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:55 pm

This has probably been stated ad nauseam, but without leap years, it would be late 2013 or early 2014.


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18 Dec 2012, 6:04 pm

It's the hype surrounding it, not the actual year.



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18 Dec 2012, 6:53 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I only mentioned it because I think it has a chance of being passed by congress now. I don't really want to argue gun facts anyway. Just saying I don't believe it's possible for the US to ever ban all firearms. It goes against our culture and won't be accepted.


It looked like you were advocating it at first. :x

Anyhow, I can't see any "assault weapons" bans happening.
There are a lot more gun owners now than when the last one was passed in 1994 and they are less tolerant of infringements like that.
When Obama took office in '09 there was a concern (to put it lightly) that there would be a ban.
I thought it was BS but that didn't matter. People were lining up to buy guns while they still could.
Gun shops could not keep AR-15's or AK-47's on the selves they were selling so fast.
Same for semi-auto handguns like Glocks and Springfield XD's.
Ammo was being bought by the 500 and 1000 round case and magazines by the dozen.
Even people that a month before had no interest in guns were all the sudden buying them. A surprising amount of them were even liberals, believe it or not.
While this hoarding went on for several months ammo and even reloading supplies were hard to get in any quantity and were rationed sometimes.
Shooting ranges became real crowded on the weekend, too. Trust me, I'm a range officer at one of them and we're still busy because of that.

Too many voters wold be furious over an "assault weapons" ban and that's not good for the guilty parties during the next election.


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18 Dec 2012, 7:23 pm

Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I only mentioned it because I think it has a chance of being passed by congress now. I don't really want to argue gun facts anyway. Just saying I don't believe it's possible for the US to ever ban all firearms. It goes against our culture and won't be accepted.


It looked like you were advocating it at first. :x

Anyhow, I can't see any "assault weapons" bans happening.
There are a lot more gun owners now than when the last one was passed in 1994 and they are less tolerant of infringements like that.
When Obama took office in '09 there was a concern (to put it lightly) that there would be a ban.
I thought it was BS but that didn't matter. People were lining up to buy guns while they still could.
Gun shops could not keep AR-15's or AK-47's on the selves they were selling so fast.
Same for semi-auto handguns like Glocks and Springfield XD's.
Ammo was being bought by the 500 and 1000 round case and magazines by the dozen.
Even people that a month before had no interest in guns were all the sudden buying them. A surprising amount of them were even liberals, believe it or not.
While this hoarding went on for several months ammo and even reloading supplies were hard to get in any quantity and were rationed sometimes.
Shooting ranges became real crowded on the weekend, too. Trust me, I'm a range officer at one of them and we're still busy because of that.

Too many voters wold be furious over an "assault weapons" ban and that's not good for the guilty parties during the next election.
obama says he wants to re enstate the clinton era assault weapons ban but that ban was meaningless anyway because of the wording.the clinton era weapons ban would not have included the bushmaster used in the recent shooting.bill clinton was one of the most shrewed politicians ever and a genius at passing laws that make him look like he is busy but the laws have no real practical value

likely obama will do something similar.they must define asault weapon before they can ban them and if the difinition is so narrow that no guns are actualy banned then its a pointless law.
as far as preventing crime it doesnt take a gunsmith to alter the guns to a form thats in the ban once a criminal has a plan,a 12 year old could change a gun from semi to full auto.so the law would likely have little change for honest citizens and no change at all for criminals


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18 Dec 2012, 7:40 pm

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Too many voters wold be furious over an "assault weapons" ban and that's not good for the guilty parties during the next election.

What about those furious over 26 people killed? I think there's a lot of those now. If those people represent a greater total number of voters and its enough of an issue for them..



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18 Dec 2012, 7:44 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Raptor wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I only mentioned it because I think it has a chance of being passed by congress now. I don't really want to argue gun facts anyway. Just saying I don't believe it's possible for the US to ever ban all firearms. It goes against our culture and won't be accepted.


It looked like you were advocating it at first. :x

Anyhow, I can't see any "assault weapons" bans happening.
There are a lot more gun owners now than when the last one was passed in 1994 and they are less tolerant of infringements like that.
When Obama took office in '09 there was a concern (to put it lightly) that there would be a ban.
I thought it was BS but that didn't matter. People were lining up to buy guns while they still could.
Gun shops could not keep AR-15's or AK-47's on the selves they were selling so fast.
Same for semi-auto handguns like Glocks and Springfield XD's.
Ammo was being bought by the 500 and 1000 round case and magazines by the dozen.
Even people that a month before had no interest in guns were all the sudden buying them. A surprising amount of them were even liberals, believe it or not.
While this hoarding went on for several months ammo and even reloading supplies were hard to get in any quantity and were rationed sometimes.
Shooting ranges became real crowded on the weekend, too. Trust me, I'm a range officer at one of them and we're still busy because of that.

Too many voters wold be furious over an "assault weapons" ban and that's not good for the guilty parties during the next election.
obama says he wants to re enstate the clinton era assault weapons ban but that ban was meaningless anyway because of the wording.the clinton era weapons ban would not have included the bushmaster used in the recent shooting.bill clinton was one of the most shrewed politicians ever and a genius at passing laws that make him look like he is busy but the laws have no real practical value

likely obama will do something similar.they must define asault weapon before they can ban them and if the difinition is so narrow that no guns are actualy banned then its a pointless law.
as far as preventing crime it doesnt take a gunsmith to alter the guns to a form thats in the ban once a criminal has a plan,a 12 year old could change a gun from semi to full auto.so the law would likely have little change for honest citizens and no change at all for criminals

What was the weapon used in this shooting? I read it was a Bushmaster .223, then I read it was a Bushmaster AR15 etc etc. Is it an assault rifle?

The company is being sold off
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/ ... 8F20121218



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18 Dec 2012, 8:05 pm

nostromo wrote:
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Too many voters wold be furious over an "assault weapons" ban and that's not good for the guilty parties during the next election.

What about those furious over 26 people killed? I think there's a lot of those now. If those people represent a greater total number of voters and its enough of an issue for them..


I figure (more like know) most of those who are furious over the killings, me included, are mature and intelligent enough to realize that the gun didn't just float into that school by itself nor did it take control of Adam Lanza's mind.


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18 Dec 2012, 8:21 pm

nostromo,

You're right there with the possibility of more people at this moment in time being against certain things (probably due to feelings of no control over these things, and the desire to alleviate that by doing something).

A Bushmaster .223 Remington (.223 Remington is the cartridge that it fires) will be of an AR-15 pattern rifle designed for the civilian market that lacks select fire capability (no full auto or burst fire function). Bushmaster is just a company that makes AR-15 pattern rifles. AR-15 pattern itself was designed by the ArmaLite company. Not an assault rifle (which needs a select fire function).



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