The US Government Shut-Down - Whom to Blame

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it cannot be denied that the GOTP are engaged in rebellion against the rest of the government and nation, by refusing to submit a clean budget that the senate can pass and the president can sign, and in the process cost this nation $300 million samoleans daily. they would rather waste money that way than fund obamacare, they'd rather throw money away than let pofolk get any benefit from it.

So by your thinking, it is rebellion to do your legally mandated job?

it is NOT their "legally mandated job" to shut down the government and create the mess they created. there is NO LAW which stated they HAD to shut down the government. NONE.

I blame Republican Senators and Representatives therefore I must instruct everybody reading this to vote them out of office next election. Thank you.

There is also no law that says that they must do whatever the President wishes.

it is NOT just POTUS but also the senate and the plurality of voting americans which elected POTUS in 2012.

The problem with this is that it is usually fairly easy for a Congressional member to get his party's nomination for the general election. And if he is on the ballot in the general election, then don't expect the voters of his own party to switch and vote for the other major party.

For example, if a Congressman is from a district where 60% of the voters are in his party, then for him to lose, a fairly large portion of his own party must switch to vote for the other.

Not that it can't happen. I knew people in 1980 who were very far to the left but who could not stomach the idea of voting for Jimmy Carter again and so they voted for Ronald Reagan instead.

It just doesn't matter. The job of the men and women in Congress is to represent their constituents as they see best, not to represent the constituents of other districts and states.

Can you seriously tell me that if it was reversed and it was a Democratic led House against a Tea Party Republican Senate and a Tea Party Republican President over some issue that you oppose, that you would argue that the House should follow the lead of the President and the Senate?

Suppose that the Senate and President were trying to overturn ObamaCare and the House was working hard to keep ObamaCare. If you were a member of the House of Representatives in such a case, are you saying that you would vote to end ObamaCare since the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Republican President was elected by a plurality of the voters? My guess is that you would do what you could to keep ObamaCare in spite of being opposed by a Republican President and a Republican Senate.

So what would you do? How would you vote in this hypothetical example?

you and yours are forcing this to be a war, in that people like the working class[myself] cannot afford to just lie down and die [do without health care]. the TP and their supporters are letting their greed/class hatred drag them into a scorched earth war.

There is no Republican position yet. They can't even negotiate with themselves. They are having an internal crisis and hurting themselves along with millions of average Americans.

the GOPTP doesn't give a good god damn about the country or anybody other than themselves and their Koch fiend benefactors. old African expression, "when the elephants fight, it is the grass [99%] that suffers."

The tea party and the Republican right have become so obsessed with ideology that they hold their political philosophy above the common good of the citizenry. Think only how they opposed any help for the devastation caused by Sandy on the east coast, as they argued helping needy people wasn't the government's job.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I just don't understand how anybody could be so cold-blooded as the TP. I remember reading a study that said having lots of money made people cold-blooded. next time you whip out the monopoly board game, see how the "winners" act, I would bet dollars to donuts that they would start acting like something akin to alpha apes.

I actually don't play Monopoly, but I understand where you're coming from.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

One thing that's certain. If everybody who hates this shut down got together and decided to vote out all the ones responsible for it and actually followed up and did it, not just talk about it only to forget later, politicians would never resort to these tactics. They only do it because they know they can get away with it. It's their way of mocking each and every one of us because they know no one will vote them out for doing this. They deserve to be voted out so just vote them out already. If we did this, they would never ever risk pulling this bs ever again. It wouldn't be worth their careers. You must show them how they are required to behave and not settle for nonsense from them. They have the public pegged as weak and stupid this is how they show their contempt.

Father: "John, you're the one who hit your brother because he refused to clean your own room for you."

John: "But, dad, he made me miserable enough to do it and he's just making it worse by continuing to not do what I tell him to do."