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If you are posting insults that tells me that you are losing the arguement. I am not going to continue you with this because you are really wasting my time and I have no idea what you are talking about. The 1976 law is crystal clear. If it was a problem we have already cut support from these nations years ago. The President and Congress seems to think that Saudi Arabia,Qatar,and Turkey are important and deserves our help. If you do like it write your Congressman and the Secretary of Defense to change the law and our support of these nations.

If you are posting insults that tells me that you are losing the arguement. I am not going to continue you with this because you are really wasting my time and I have no idea what you are talking about. The 1976 law is crystal clear. If it was a problem we have already cut support from these nations years ago. The President and members of Congress seems to think that Saudi Arabia,Qatar,and Turkey are important and deserves our help. If you do like it write your Congressman and the Secretary of Defense to change the law end and our support of these nations. As of this moment there will be no change in the support of these nations.President Obama and members of Congress seems to disagree with you.

There are no insults here, I'm not sure what your argument even is. AECA isn't very clear nor is it very effective, we give many many weapons to non-state actors and we do this thru creative ways like we did the mujaheddin in Afghanistan, Iran against Iraq, the Contras against the Sandistas, and now Islamist militias in Libya and Syria. We'll essentially have someone else straw buy the weapons for us so they don't look like they came from us, we ironically enough made use of the Israelis with arming the Afghan mujaheddin as well as Iran. The fact you are bringing up some act of congress as if our government cares 1 hoot about the law is pretty silly. You're just wrong. The US doesn't have moral high ground with Russia, they do not pose a threat to the United States and we should work with them. Nothing you said about those countries made me change me mind about them, obviously they have "strategic interest" or else we wouldn't be allies with them but we need to stop treating the world as some grand chessboard. You never really answered any question I asked you.

The 1976 law is clear as glass and pretty self explanatory.Accept It. You will sleep better tonight. The POTUS and Congress seems to have any problems with it. If they did have a problem there would be a movement to repeal it. So far I do not see the Congress, Defense Department nor the President to repeal it.You are the only one with the problem. Again, if you do not like the law write you Congressman and try to have the law changed.

AECA has nothing to do with anything and is totally irrelevant to what we were talking about

America gives weapons to terrorists, accept it

Show me a link that we give directly to terrorists. The AECA specifically states that we do not provide arms to terrorists if you bothered to read the law, which you did not.
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/aeca.html

Project Shield America-U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) conducts an industry outreach program called the Project Shield America to prevent foreign adversaries, terrorists, and criminal networks from obtaining U.S. munitions and strategic technology.

https://www.ice.gov/project-shield-america

Project Shield America is an industry and academic outreach program, the intent of which is to obtain the assistance and cooperation of those companies involved in the manufacture and export of U.S. origin strategic goods, technologies, and munitions items as well as academic researchers who study and research these and other strategic fields[i]. The focus of Project Shield America is to prevent the proliferation of export-controlled technology and components, the acquisition of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, and the unlawful exportation of weapon systems and classified or controlled technical data.[/i]

In seeking to both gather and provide information, Project Shield America was established to increase public awareness of the importance of export controls and to seek the cooperation of the technology manufacturing and academic research communities. Project Shield America liaisons are established between HSI special agents and manufacturers, exporters, and freight handlers. In this cooperative effort, private industry and the academic community can improve their export control measures while avoiding issues that might affect legitimate business or scholarship.

Project Shield America assists industry and academic research institutions to better understand current U.S. export laws and aids in the recognition, detection and resolution of illegal acquisition attempts of controlled and sensitive commodities, technology, and data by foreign governments, companies, or individuals. Only with the cooperation and diligence of the exporting and academic community can law enforcement succeed in preventing the proliferation of advanced conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. Through established contacts, private industry and the academic community are encouraged to report all suspicious export inquiries to HSI. Cooperation will protect U.S. national security, secure the reputation of private industry, and protect research and development costs lost to illegal procurement.

The law also says its illegal to kill people yet people still get murdered, who cares about this law? Congress certainly doesn't.

I can lead you the water man, can't make you drink. Maybe try learning history and watching the news? Finding obscure wikipedia articles about legislation from the 70s that seems mostly geared towards punishing those who leak military secrets than anything else really is not clear like at all and honestly pretty confusing considering how out of left field it is. Yes, we gave weapons to mujaheddin in Afghanistan starting in the Jimmy Carter administration. We gave weapons to the Contras in Nicaragua(hey, there was a law specifically forbidding that so how could that happen?) We gave weapons to KLA who were widely considered a terrorist group until Bill Clinton decided he need to distract everyone from his impeachment, we've support al-Qaeda aligned People's Resistance Movement of Iran, that's just the stuff straight out in the open. Everyone knows we gave Libyan militias weapons, that is likely what got our ambassador killed in Benghazi. The US is heavily involved in drug trafficking as well and have given weapons to Mexican cartels, we have some sort of agreement with the Sinoloa Cartel against all the others and that's why El Chapo isn't in prison or dead right now. Like I said, no moral high ground.

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Jacoby,

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2778


You may want to read this and learn something

I would say you are being knowingly obtuse but you may just be a dullard. Irrelevant. Learn history, like seriously.

Uhhh....... We helped the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan because they asked for our help. If you slipped your memory, the Soviet Union invaded the country. In regards of the KLA, they asked for help because of the mass genocide being conducted by Slobadan Milosovic on the Bosnian Muslims.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
https://genocideinbosnia.wordpress.com/ ... milosevic/
https://genocideinbosnia.wordpress.com/ ... vic-trial/

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There you go insulting again. You must desperate and running out of ammo. Insulting people is a sign of people losing the arguement because they have nothing else to say.

Ammo for what? You literally won't stop talking about something that has nothing at all to do with what we were talking about. Does the US arm terrorists? Say it... You've been circling around that point for like pages now. You literally have no idea what you are talking about do you?

Well done dude, you got me! Your troll skills are excellent.

There you calling names and baiting me.Its really sad. I have much pity for you.

Im going to end this. I will let you continue to try to bait me. This is not first rodeo with people like you.

uhhhh them asking for help doesn't change that they were terrorists uhhhhh

KLA was Kosovo, Bosnians are a completely different people from the Albanians in Kosovo. Bosnia had quite a few mujaheddin as well, many of today's jihadist leaders cut their teeth in that war before turning their attention on us. I do not care that the Soviet's invaded Afghanistan, so did we and we fought against the very same people we armed in that war. It was a mistake, just like every other time we've armed terrorist groups. The chickens always come home to roost.

and bye dude, I will rejoice in my victory