I hate feminazis

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That's rude, dude. I like Rush Limbaugh so leave him out of it.

I hate being seen as a feminist because I like to open my own doors and hold my own. That's a whole different can of worms, though.

Feminazis also give me one more reason for me to feel too embarrassed for me to identify as a member of my birth gender.

Are you a guy?

Anyway, I believe in women's rights to vote and get paid the same for the same work - that kind of thing. But I do believe feminists take it to the extremes and demonize men. There are differences in men and women for a reason. I also believe in the traditional gender roles when it comes to dating and family. I understand that in today's economy women have to work and such, but I don't believe women should be doing certain jobs just because they want to be equal - like fireman, military (except nursing and such). Men are built for those kinds of jobs - to handle big equipment and carry people of needed.

Cockney is a woman but is a transgender that identifies as male. She does not identify as feminist but just wants to live her life as a he, neutral and kindhearted.

Radical feminists are the Malcom X as opposed to Martin Luther King, when it comes to civil rights. Most feminists are peaceful and just want to see equality in both genders while radical feminists, femnazis for short are sexist towards men and hate men and wish to incite violence towards men they don't want equality they want superiority over men and oppress as a means of revenge! Don't be surprised some might snap and become a terrorist organization, with female versions of Elliot Rogers towards men and Columbine, they are millimeters away from resorting to using violence, I might seem obsessed and paranoid and must monitor their activities because i fear there will be a new terrorist group arizing comprising of radical feminists committing murder to innocent men and torturing them. Bombing buildings and butchering men alive same with male children alive on national television to make their point, they will commit murder to make their point, their hatred cannot be quelled they are evil. They are demons ad must be stopped they are hateful vile creatures and yes i consider them to not be human because they are too hateful and spiteful to be human they have evolved into monsters, inspiring abuse that they used to opposed towards others, they laugh at male rape victims and male victims of domestic violence! They are far beyond mental help to get back into reality, so my posts of seeing as them as subhuman tubs of lard I receive their hateful outlashes and tried to share my painful experiences and they spat at me, laughed at me, bullied me, and even had the nerve to associate me with the men who may have raped and abused them. This made me mad and I have a grudge against these sad sacks of s**t unlike them they had shelter for their s**t I did not, I had to do s**t on my own, I must man up if I was raped by a woman "i must have enjoyed it" they said! I also mentioned my attempts at suicide and they laughed at me and ridiculed me and told me "the world would be better if I had succeeded!" These little s**ts support rape culture! So I reserve all my hate and rage towards them while cautiously monitoring their activities at the possibility of being more hateful and committing murder towards innocent men and boys! So sorry if any feminists sympathizes with them and wishes to label me as a mysogynist for bearing my hate to a group of soul less hateful demons who have no remorse to humanity but I am not going to stay back and take more male bashing any longer and going to stand my ground! I am Human My life matters, they can go take a hike and bugger off! I am sick and tired of them bullying me so I must stand my ground, I am male, I am a man, I am not a rapist and I am not oppressing anyone but yet I am expected to be lumped with the evil male as*holes simply because I am a man regardless my dark pasts with an abusive woman I am still to blame for it all and deserved to take that abuse, you know what? f**k that s**t! Next one that shouts in my face with their BS I will shout back in their face like a drill sergeant and give them a taste of reality and maybe make them cry and shut them up for good because honestly they are evil full of hate and doing more harm for the movement than good and attacking victims! I had a rad fem up in my face in San Francisco up in my face and spitting at me because I was ignoring her and she kept harrassing me with male bashing insults, I snapped and screamed in her face like a drill sergeant and told her my experience of my past and told her not to associate me with any of that BS and to shut the f**k up and that she has no idea who she is talking to, she had a blank shocked face and was silent and I shouted again and told her again to get off me and I called her a hateful worthess sack of s**t and she began to cry and shut up and was quiet and I was able to walk on my merry way and I felt better. More people sometimes need a wake up call and need to realized abuse and rape goes both ways!

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Does violence towards men and being sexist to them or blame them for all their problems solve anything for equality? I think not, they secretly condone making violent acts towards men and I dont agree with any of that, all men are evil etc that s**t is all garbage and BS. They are ruining the movement and involuntarily fueling the patriarchy and in a way support it! So to feminists who do not call them out on their BS I will call them out, they are ruining your cause in many ways more than you know!

Heres a song to those hateful radical femnazis! And to any other hateful bastard! With love from Ireland! So Bugger off ya bastards!If any other rad fem gets in my way ill be ready for a fight and defend my gender, my celtic blood is calling and i will defend my title to be a free and happy man tis male bashing BS needs to stop! We need equality, enough is enough, i dont want to have to go drill sergeant again and tell another bastard off but i will and give him or her another taste of reality!Want to pick a fight? Im waiting and ready, if your a woman ill just have a woman fight ye and she will kick your ass to the curb! If your a man then ill fight you myself and my fists will be ready! I normally avoid fights since the last time I got involved I went berzerk and nearly sent the 2 poor lads to the hospital but no longer will i hold back, fight me lad ill let my rage take over and go berzerk and go all out! This is a warning to leave me be, I been through enough BS. These same rad fems need to back off me too or ill encite fear into them with hateful eyes because they are hateful bastards and they will back off. Maybe another stern drill sergeant yelling in their face delivering the same message is an order? Send them shutting up and crying and leaving you alone for good, Yes that works best!

Men and women are equal, and both humans, women deserve the same rights as men and equal pay etc, I agree however women should not be bashed nor should be men, and this generalzations of men and bashing men needs to stop! There is no justification in any of it! Perhaps you same man hating women wish to be widows for fun? Wish to see your son tortured and butchered alive on television because hes a male by women? Get in touch with reality mate!

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AspieOtaku, please cut out the "man-hating women are bad" stuff. Yes, they exist, but they're not here. You're arguing with ghosts. You're saying things that everyone agrees with, but in a way that others are perceiving as accusatory and ultimately sexist.

If another user comes out and starts bashing men, then by all means engage with them. Right now, you're the one causing the problem.
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I utterly agree with AspE. Rush Limbaugh's utter disregard for people of different backgrounds and his ceaseless and wanton racism sickens me.

Sorry was venting, not a bad idea though. But I guess its ok for Aspe to make a personal attack against me.

If it makes you feel better, substitute 'of the dominant paradigm' for 'patriarchal.'

My own rough definition of 'patriarchy' is 'a society in which men hold all or most of the positions of power and control all or most of the resources.' By that definition, western society still is, and has been, a patriarchy for as long as it has existed, as have been most of the human societies on the planet.

Women do enforce gender norms, but when you live in a society dominated by men, the gender norms are set by men regardless of who is enforcing them. Women can't enforce 'matriarchal gender norms' here because we don't live in a matriarchy.

It's not about men never suffering or never having disadvantages; it's about men, statistically, coming out on top more often than not. Men hold more positions of power; men are less likely to live in poverty. Men are more likely to be believed by the police. Male stereotypes (stoicism; rationality; independence) are seen as more desirable, in general, than female stereotypes (sensitivity; emotionality; sociality).

No. Masculinity and maleness are not the same thing as the patriarchy... As the dominant paradigm. The critique is of the social system in which we all operate; as you mentioned, women can promote stereotypes too, and they're just as harmful as men who do so.

No. It only implies that some people statistically (not individually) have it worse than others because of the group(s) that they belong to.

The exceptions do not make the rule. Again, we are talking about statistics, not individuals.

I'm well aware of female competition, thank you. It doesn't change the fact that, in our society, men statistically have more power and statistically control more resources.

No. The fact that a woman is doing it does not make it a 'matriarchal gender role.' Patriarchy and matriarchy are terms that apply to the society as a whole, not to individuals or even to individual families.

Of course they are (there's a branch of feminism that fully subscribes to gender stereotypes, but believes that female stereotypes are better for society; I do not subscribe to it. It's not the same as radical feminism although there is often overlap, and has a few more adherents, but it annoys the hell out of a lot of other feminists including myself). I actually think that aspies, both male and female, are more representative of their natural selves because we often are less influenced by society's gender roles along with all of the other social roles that we just don't get. I'm completely heterosexual, for example, but I ping hard on a lot of people's gaydar because I'm just not very girly. I've heard a lot of other people here say similar things on various forums.


My understanding is that it had mostly to do with how the crime statistics were collected and published each year. Before the redefinition, boys and men who were raped were included under 'assault and battery' or something like that. I can't imagine that feminists did it single-handedly, but I only ever saw it talked about and celebrated in specifically feminist media like Feministing.com.

No, it definitely was not universally popular; in particular, women who benefit from the current system (think Sarah Palin et. all) opposed the idea.

Personally, I think that there *should* be an *active* draft and that NO ONE should be exempt, regardless of social position, education, political status, or whatever. Maybe limits for age: above 18 and below 65. But a billionaire senator should be just as likely to be called up as a poor kid from Rosebud Reservation, men and women alike. Anyone who votes should be eligible to be drafted, basically, though of course physically disabled and infirm people would get jobs peeling potatoes or shuffling papers or whatever they could do. But everyone should be equally likely to share in the misery; it might make politicians a bit less eager to throw us into one war after another.
I'm not a pacifist, but I AM strongly anti-war.

I'm well aware of that. White women threw black women under the bus pretty overtly.

My understanding is that women have been on the 'front line,' such as it is, for quite some time, but weren't getting the official credit for it either in pay or in official recognition. A woman medic might be pinned down with her unit in a battle in Falujah (or wherever; I have no idea if there were any women medics there, just using it as an example) and the men would get combat ribbons and the women would not, because she wasn't in an official 'combat' position.

I'm limiting my arguments pretty much to American and British culture and history at the moment; my understanding is that the IDF scaled back on women in combat because the men couldn't handle seeing women get shot, though.

The Jews officially follow the Old Testament, which is a rather nasty book and a very patriarchal one. That said, it *strongly* depends on which branch of Judaism they follow. Orthodox Jewish men are regularly seen spitting on women and girls in Israel for being 'provocatively dressed' even in clothing quite conservative by American standards (and on men, too, for 'violating the sabbath'). You can google this for examples. Reform and Liberal Jews, on the other hand, are more liberal than your average American on most social issues, including gender roles (personal story: my sister-in-law is Jewish, and at the catered breakfast the day after the wedding, it was discovered that some of the quiches had bacon in them. Someone said, 'Don't they know that this is a Jewish event?' to which someone else responded, 'It's ok, the Rabbi isn't here today,' and everyone went on eating quiches).


I'm not a SJW, and I'm well aware of this. I listen to a revolutionary communist broadcast weekly as one of my alternative news sources (I try to mix it up), and it drives me just as nuts as the conservative newscasts. Both sides are completely convinced that overthrowing the government will galvanize 'the people' to join their side, followed by a brief and largely bloodless revolution, followed by a christian utopia/communist utopia in which everyone will cooperate and love each other.

'They' have tried to recruit more women into engineering, but they haven't done much to change the culture and keep them there. The attrition rate of qualified female engineering students is pretty spectacular; the stories of harassment in engineering and physics departments mirror the stories of women in the Navy, and there's more pressure on women to be the primary caretakers if they have a family.

And also the gender ratio is skewed b/c so many men were killed during the cold war. Men of a certain generation can get away with practically anything and still find a new spouse the instant the former one leaves them, because the women are desperate.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... han-women/

Many young women choose STEM; they just don't stay there.
http://advance.cornell.edu/documents/ne ... sexism.pdf
http://www.technologyreview.com/article ... e-science/
http://www.socwomen.org/wp-content/uplo ... 7-stem.pdf
http://women2.com/2014/06/30/women-leav ... vid=5gTYCi
https://hbr.org/2008/06/stopping-the-ex ... n-science/

http://www.nature.com/news/many-women-s ... rk-1.15571
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/ ... arrassment
http://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi/ ... estigation
http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html


We shouldn't use "affirmative action" for any of it, but we should look at whether or not the professors are condoning or even participating in harassment, if women are being mentored to the same level as men, if women's work of equal quality is given the same weight as men's work (for example, many journals now require authors to use only their initials rather than full names: J.K. Smith, rather than Jessica Kelly Smith. In small fields where everyone knows what everyone is working on, reviewers and citers are still likely to know the gender of the publisher, but in larger fields the anonymity helps women and minorities). We should also look at schedule flexibility, family leave, and support for women at home.


Yes, and thank god for that. However, that doesn't mean that everything has been fixed and we're all peachy-keen. A person shouldn't have to be on the autism spectrum before they can be themselves, male or female or somewhere in between.
And there's a concerted effort by conservatives to roll back women's health care in particular.

I see MRAs whining constantly about men having to sign up for the draft, but they did, and do, diddly squat about it. It was and is feminists who were and are working to equalize that burden.

Again, they whine but they do squat. They talk about women abusing men, but they don't open shelters. They talk about women getting custody of the kids after divorce, but they neither step up to become primary caretakers nor encourage other men to do so (the reason that women usually get custody is because, in most states, the law states that the primary caretaker gets custody).


As it has been described, it's actually worse than that. It's against western civilization and the enlightenment. The idea that ideas should be protected is the same thing that leads to blasphemers being burned at the stake during the European dark ages and having thier heads cut off in ISIS-held areas and Saudi Arabia today.

What we need is an egalitarian society, not a matriarchy, or a patriarchy, a society that is not dominated by gender.

I think this is where we disagree. Women can both enforce and set gender norms and they are responsible for their actions. They can choose to do otherwise. Saying the patriarchy made them do it is incorrect when they have the option not to. We do have quite a few freedoms we didn't used to, and social pressure is less. Yes there are situation due circumstances where they are pressured and coerced, but that is not the question I'm answering. The question is can they and do they, and I say yes to both.

The other implied part of the question is does such decision have to be patriarchal. I say no becuase at that stage what the patriarchy means may have to be redefined especially as the outcomes involve could vary greatly.

I think the denial of joint enterprise is a sticking point IMO. I have a problem with it. I disagree with how your model of how power works.

My position is nothing is absolute, so even if men hold most of the power they don't hold all of it all the time. There is something called power dynamics. Women have power and they use it and can sometimes do this independently of men and they can be responsible for ideas being born, including ideas about gender.

Also on the origins of gender roles are often quite old, we have no idea how some of these behaviors came about. We know the animals have gendered roles, however those roles can vary in different species (e.g. lionesses being the the main hunters). I think there is a difference between talking about what what biologist call matrarchal/patrarchal animal group and patriarchy/matriarchy. That is becuase these animals don't have societies like we do. They might have proto-scoieties arguably but not actual ones.

I think see the mutually exclusive mentality is something that doesn't accurately model nature.

Also Patriarchy is still associated with "male privilege" and masculinity. You might not do it, but this is the vocabulary that is used.

I think the matter is not just who wields power, but how and for who that power is exercised etc. Getting someone from a marginalised part of society into a position of power does not mean that that group is no longer marginalised, or the problems that group qua that group face are now over. Institutions through which power is exercised have their own logic, their own biases.

Of course, everyone has some form of power in some way, even if it's barely there. The issue is where institutions - be they legal or governmental or social - keep that power in check. 'Hope lies in the proles', wrote Winston. But that the proles knew it.

I wouldn't bother much with 'nature'. Look at what humans, in all their variety, have done and can do. To possibly be trite, it's legit to say no human can fly unaided. It's arsebiscuits to say men can't look after children, or women can't be engineers.

I think a lot of the problem comes down to identity. Where some of one's identity has been given by society, and there's a sense of conflict over that - 'this is me, and yet it's not me' - it's difficult stuff to work through.