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29 Mar 2016, 7:59 pm

the coast is clear for more unpopular opinions :)



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29 Mar 2016, 8:00 pm

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What's your point? Look, I don't condone abortion [unless needed to save the mother's life when the fetus is a rodef i.e. pursuer] the same way I don't condone other types of murder or stealing. If there was a horrible famine in another country and a mother there chose to ate her kids, I would understand the pain she and the people in that country are going through, but I would NOT condone her decision to eat her kids. Even though we're privileged enough not to have to go through that [no I don't mean privileged as an insult even though "Progressives" use it as an insult and to shut down discussion constantly], I think we can all agree that her "choice" to eat her kids is wrong. So too with abortion, I think taking the life of another [helpless] human being who does not threaten your life is wrong, period. And I don't have to have a uterus to see that.


My point is that however you may feel about abortion, you will never have to make that choice for yourself and have one because you can't get pregnant if you don't have a uterus. So you can feel whatever you want about abortion, your feelings on the subject don't really matter.

ok whatever. Also, at one point in time, the sentiments of abolitionists didn't "matter" when slavery was legal. Go further back in history and that would've appeared more true, since slavery was then widespread in the world. If there is a famine in another country and women started eating their kids, our feelings would appear to not "matter", since we don't live there. But it would still be morally wrong, which is something we can all agree on. You can say that my views don't matter all you want. But I'll still take a stand against abortion.


As it's been requested that this thread not be derailed, I'm retracting my comment.

Fair enough.



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29 Mar 2016, 8:08 pm

Oh dear. What have I done?

To clarify, I did not intend this to be a debate thread. I intended it to be a thread where you simply post a view you have that most people disagree with, but if you want to debate, that's fine.

I'm a regular Wikipedia editor, and a main principle othere is to comment only on content, not on the other editors. My advice to people, in order to avoid getting in a fight while debating, is to comment on the topic, not each other. If someone else attacks you, report the attack and leave it to the mods to deal with it.



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29 Mar 2016, 8:24 pm

Catlover5 wrote:
Oh dear. What have I done? To clarify, I did not intend this to be a debate thread. I intended it to be a thread where you simply post a view you have that most people disagree with, but if you want to debate, that's fine. I'm a regular Wikipedia editor, and a main principle othere is to comment only on content, not on the other editors. My advice to people, in order to avoid getting in a fight while debating, is to comment on the topic, not each other. If someone else attacks you, report the attack and leave it to the mods to deal with it.

it is a good idea in general, to remember that in these cases, more information is better than less information. so in a thread like this, a good practice might be to preface any responses to one's OP with words like "this is NOT a debate thread! post only your opinions, do NOT debate! this is FUN only and not for contention! there are plenty of other PP&R threads to fight in. :)



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29 Mar 2016, 8:26 pm

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Oh dear. What have I done? To clarify, I did not intend this to be a debate thread. I intended it to be a thread where you simply post a view you have that most people disagree with, but if you want to debate, that's fine. I'm a regular Wikipedia editor, and a main principle othere is to comment only on content, not on the other editors. My advice to people, in order to avoid getting in a fight while debating, is to comment on the topic, not each other. If someone else attacks you, report the attack and leave it to the mods to deal with it.

it is a good idea in general, to remember that in these cases, more information is better than less information. so in a thread like this, a good practice might be to preface any responses to one's OP with words like "this is NOT a debate thread! post only your opinions, do NOT debate! this is FUN only and not for contention! there are plenty of other PP&R threads to fight in. :)

Haha yes :mrgreen:



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29 Mar 2016, 8:32 pm

in fact, if 10,000 minutes have not passed since your initial post, you can add that language in now, if you wish.



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29 Mar 2016, 8:39 pm

Sadly they have. And a lot more minutes have passed too.



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29 Mar 2016, 8:40 pm

time sure flies, don't it? and when you get to be my age, it ZOOMS. a day lasts about 16 hours now, when I was a kid it lasted about 40.



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30 Mar 2016, 11:27 am

If I were President and terrorists a took nursery school hostage threating to kill every kid one kid at a time if their demands were not met and started acting on it I would still not negotiate. Everybody says they will not negotiate with terrorists but in one way or another 95 percent plus of the time they do. Even the Israelis release hundreds of prisoners for one soidier. The President should make decisions based on the interests of 300,000,000 million people not one school and thier parents.


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30 Mar 2016, 12:32 pm

I still say the nuclear option for destroying ISIS should be put on the table. The lead tamper of the Tsar bomba reduced fallout by 97% but that thing had a whopping 50 MEGATON yield! A 20 kiloton warhead with a neutron absorbing tamper that would reduce fallout by at least 90% would still contaminate but it's a necessary evil if ISIS/ISIL conducts a terrorist attack on civilians with nuclear and/or radiological weapons.



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30 Mar 2016, 1:07 pm

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If I were President and terrorists a took nursery school hostage threating to kill every kid one kid at a time if their demands were not met and started acting on it I would still not negotiate. Everybody says they will not negotiate with terrorists but in one way or another 95 percent plus of the time they do. Even the Israelis release hundreds of prisoners for one soidier. The President should make decisions based on the interests of 300,000,000 million people not one school and thier parents.


The real integrity test would be if the president had kids of their own, they were among the hostages, and they were the very first to be perfunctorily murdered after an extensive, gruesome and widely broadcast torture. It'd be priceless to hear the president tell them, "Sorry, kids, since we couldn't stop those terrorists in time, you have to endure horrifying pain and then die for the good of the country. The interests of hundreds of millions of people are more important than your plight and I've sworn loyalty to them. Goodbye".

Even better if the president's spouse, parents and other family members and dearest friends are next.


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30 Mar 2016, 1:49 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
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If I were President and terrorists a took nursery school hostage threating to kill every kid one kid at a time if their demands were not met and started acting on it I would still not negotiate. Everybody says they will not negotiate with terrorists but in one way or another 95 percent plus of the time they do. Even the Israelis release hundreds of prisoners for one soidier. The President should make decisions based on the interests of 300,000,000 million people not one school and thier parents.


The real integrity test would be if the president had kids of their own, they were among the hostages, and they were the very first to be perfunctorily murdered after an extensive, gruesome and widely broadcast torture. It'd be priceless to hear the president tell them, "Sorry, kids, since we couldn't stop those terrorists in time, you have to endure horrifying pain and then die for the good of the country. The interests of hundreds of millions of people are more important than your plight and I've sworn loyalty to them. Goodbye".

Even better if the president's spouse, parents and other family members and dearest friends are next.


That's actually spot on. It's easy to play the uncompromising hero when somebody else's arse is on the line.


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30 Mar 2016, 4:56 pm

it would never happen , if a President did this his kids involved or not he or she would be impeached and convicted within a week if the White House is not stormed first.

I would hope my logic would overrule my emotions in such a situation but one can never be sure.

The understanding of the meaning of the old saying the "price of freedom" has been mostly forgotten. It used to mean great pain and sacrifice, now we voluntary give it freedom up for faux security.


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30 Mar 2016, 5:01 pm

Douglas Murray is a far-right racist. Well, I never.

There was me thinking he was a run-of-the-mill neoconservative, who isn't always right about everything. It's amazing what you learn on here.



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30 Mar 2016, 5:14 pm

I sometimes wonder if it's all a big con, and behind the scenes the left and right shake hands and agree to keep us underfoot. They get paid regardless of our votes.
Maybe that is why the democrats and republicans in the US are horrified at the idea of Trump and Sanders, it's a sign of defiance.



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30 Mar 2016, 7:26 pm

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