Please stop with the excess hatred and anger of Trump

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Likewise if everyone started issuing strings of demeaning insults the site wouldn't function. Which apparently seems to have escaped your noble attention. Especially considering it was adult vs kid.

Since when has that been an issue for you? I recall you indicating more than once that your age should not be held against you in terms of your arguments here.

Arguing a subject and attacking someone are two entirely different matters. Comments like "You're nowhere near clever enough to come up with a word like undignified on your own, but you have a savant ability to recognize it as inflammatory so you use it. It's way beyond your creative capacities..." is not arguing a subject. I personally considered it a demeaning attack regarding my level of autism, not to mention being a load of claptrap. Why didn't you report that while you were at it? Mind you I got a warning before your noble action, and I acknowledge I that deserved it. But I'm certainly not going to apologize for it.

I don't think it was an attack regarding your degree of autism. We are for the most part all autistic here. Personally I find the attitude of many of your posts to be disrespectful and argumentative for the sake of it. Which is why I don't engage you any more.

Regardless of the motive it was an outright personal attack which you seem to want to completely gloss over.



I presume this grudge you're displaying is the reason why you singled me out. Ironically you also in the past designated me as being disrespectful in direct relation to me being a kid and you being an adult. Your approach towards me has always been aggressive and when I respond in kind, you take offence to that.

You singled yourself out. I haven't seen such a blatant personal attack in some time.

I do think that you are young and that this leads you to be disrespectful, but I don't think I am any more aggressive than you are. Actually I think it's a good thing that a young person such as yourself has such an interest in politics and current events. I wish more did.

Still glossing over the attack which triggered the reciprocation I see.



Regardless, you have always been aggressive with me, to which I have responded in kind. I think what you don't like is that I don't back down by regarding you as an authority figure based on your age. Which apparently caused you to hold a grudge. I think it boils down more to who said it, rather than what was said. In other words I consider your motives and your umbrage questionable.



Thanks.

So far he do a very bad job at that.

I'm not an authority figure based on my age or anything else. I just like a good argument.

"Argumentative for the sake of it".

Which human rights has he negatively impacted?
How has he halted progress?
Who has he made unsafe?
How has he caused instability?

I can give cogent answers to the opposites of each of the above questions. Can you provide the same?

A good argument is one that is not for the sake of it. That is, argument for the sake of argument is boring; argument because people are discussing differing viewpoints is good argument. That's my take anyway.

1. Which human rights has he negatively impacted?
2. How has he halted progress?
3. Who has he made unsafe?
4. How has he caused instability?

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Please, allow me to retort.

1. A. When you issue ridiculous executive orders barring refugees from war torn countries, COMPLETELY NEGLECTING THE FACT that most terrorists in America were BORN in America in the first place.
B. America can hang her head in shame now that we've turned our backs on refugees. We might as well drop a mortar on the Statue of Liberty since that inscription on it about being a welcoming country is now bullsh*t.
C. Since we're now in the business of closing our borders to WHERE we think terrorists come from, then why stop at Libya, Iran, Syria, etc? May as well include Krygyzstan where AMERICAN Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born. May as well also add Chechnya to the banned country list since the Tsarnaev brothers had ties there.
D. Lest we forget, many Europeans in America were refugees themselves. to wit: The History Place - Irish Potato Famine: Gone to America. Throughout the Famine years, nearly a million Irish arrived in the United States. Famine immigrants were the first big wave of poor refugees ever to arrive in the U.S. and Americans were simply overwhelmed. If your last name is Conway, you need to keep your mouth QUIET as it regards refugees.

2. A. When you refer to the Prime Minister of a sovereign nation by her first name, and 2x at that, it's very disrespectful and, considering this PM is a woman, insulting to the rights of women.
B. When the president of another sovereign nation cancels an appointment to meet with you but you continue to insult him, and his entire country, with petty grievances such as who will pay for a f*cking wall, I'd say that brings some progress to a skidding halt.

3. A. American Muslims, for one, feel VERY unsafe now in Trump's America. I'm not making this up. Mosques are being vandalized and burned. Sikhs are having their turbans yanked on by miscreants who mistake them for Muslims. Islamic women are having their head scarves yanked off them.
B. When the KKK have public rallies, then guess what? The blood pressure of every black, Jewish and gay person rises to the point they're near to a shaving a stroke.
C. Churches vandalized with swastikas makes people feel unsafe.
D. Mexicans are living in fear that their families will be torn apart, especially now there's a rumor that, even though their kids may have been born in the U.S., the whole family with their kids will be sent back to Juarez.

4. A. I've NEVER seen the amount of vitriol being spewed against each other like I have witnessed in recent times. Even we aspies get into arguments on WP, but as of late, it's been really off the hook. Just ask the moderators. I'm sure they'll agree with me.
B. When you have millions of people taking to the streets around the world to express their fears about the new administration, that alone will contribute to any community's instability and apprehension. Here in Seattle, our mayor came out recently and DEFIED Trump's plan to halt our federal funding because we wish to remain a sanctuary city. Well, people are worried, especially those dependent on government funds, like the homeless who stay in transitional housing. There's a giant question mark hanging in the air over the heads of the employees at Solid Ground, a non-profit that manages the transitional shelters here. Now, if they're worried they will lose funding, imagine how the population that depends on them feels.

As a side note:

You Trump supporters will want to reply to what I just wrote by saying it's all bullsh*t. PLEASE do not reply to this post. I do not wish to get into a useless, futile argument with you people. I agree to disagree with you. You won't change my mind, and I can't change your mind, so we'll just leave it at that.

Last edited by redrobin62 on 28 Jan 2017, 12:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Okay. Now that the sleeping pills have worn off, I stand by what I said. I worded some things wrong and that was stupid, and I got a bit defensive and that was stupid. What I should have said was "Nobody deserves that kind of treatment for simply having an opinion that doesn't directly harm anyone" instead of "Nobody deserves to be attacked for their beliefs."

I think Meryl Streep was a bit out of line with voicing her opinions during an awards show that has nothing to do with government politics (and everything to do with Hollywood politics but that's for a different part of the forum) and that many people were watching to avoid politics. However, she, too, did not deserve the backlash she got. Not that everyone had to agree with her or not complain, but people leaving the fandom because they disagree on that one point is just shallow and petty. I'm not a huge fan of Meryl Streep but she is a good actress and celebrities are humans too. I've seen ordinary humans bring up politics in inappropriate places and everybody just groans and changes the subject. Why is it different with celebrities?

Allow you? You seem to have vastly overestimated my role here!



Which human right has been impacted? Do refugees have a special right of access to the US?



Lovely emotional appeal, but still no mention of human rights.



Nor here.



So your argument that he's against progress is that he doesn't slavishly stick to a centuries old traditional naming convention when dealing with people of station? Bizarre.



So Trump gets snubbed by another nation's leader and he should thank him for the chastisement otherwise he's somehow standing in the way of progress?



I didn't ask about feelings, I asked who he has made unsafe. Is Trump coordinating the burning of mosques or yanking of turbans and scarves?



So Trump founded the KKK?



And the Nazis?



Fears and rumours =/= lack of safety.



Did Trump cause the vitriol, or has he been the recipient of the overwhelming majority of it? The degree of vitriol aimed at Trump supporters on this board was astronomical during the election campaign - yet here we all are.



So you're blaming Trump for the actions of millions of protesters? Did you blame Obama for the actions of his detractors? Do you blame black people for KKK marches? Actually, you already answered that one.



Are you also saying Trump is responsible for your mayor's decisions?



Imagine if we ran the country based on people's feelings rather than establishing policies which we believe best serve the people and the nation.



I'm not a Trump supporter, but I recognise a terrible argument when I see one. You haven't provided a legitimate answer to any of my questions, despite numerous attempts. Rather than attempting to shut down the discussion, like you have, I'll instead invite you to try again, only this time abandoning the rhetoric and hyperbole in favour of actual, demonstrable effects.



Request denied.



Then provide something of substance instead of reams of fluff about feelings and flawed allocation of blame. And what do you mean "you people"?



Agree or have determined to?



You certainly won't change anything with that attitude. Makes me wonder why you wasted the effort typing out your reply in the first place. Perhaps you sought only to rant rather than engage in honest, constructive discourse.

That's a good question. I suspect its due to the fact that we associate our celebrities with the legends we tell each other through the most popular story-telling medium in the modern world, video. Politicians are pantomime villains and heroes, but celebrities are intimately involved in our dreams and aspirations.