14 Nov 2020, 2:40 pm
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
14 Nov 2020, 2:46 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
By all means, let them...
In fact, encourage them to rally every day for the next 67 days until Joe Biden is inaugurated as the 46th president of the United States of America.
And while we are at it... have someone play this every single day, every single hour, every single minute, every single second:
14 Nov 2020, 3:10 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
And people still believe in the "Lost Cause" myth of the civil war. You don't win an election based on how many people turn up to a rally, but rather how many ballots turn up to a polling station.
14 Nov 2020, 3:43 pm
Jiheisho wrote:
quite an extreme wrote:
You only elect the one who becomes paid most by the big companies after his election for politics that just sweets them. Wars are a great deal for the military–industrial complex. Not starting new wars like Trump was a nightmare for them.
But arms sales to Saudi Arabia so the Saudis could continue their war in Yemen was not. Naturally, Trump has not ended a single war, so arms sales are still going strong with the US military. And the assassination of an Iraqi general on a peace meeting in Iraq and the illegal sanction of Iran did not lower the risk of war.
But then Trump hates our allies like Germany and would rather make friends with dictators. He abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria giving Russia and Turkey a strategic advantage in the area. He is attacking Germany for their energy agreement with Russia and has pulled troops from Germany. He has attacked NATO. He has attacked US intelligence services, preferring to trust Putin. He gave the North Korean regime a huge boost to their legitimacy without having them concede anything.
Oddly enough, Trump did use the armed forces against US citizens in America, which is not what our troops are for.
No, Trump has not started a single war. But I am not sure we can say the world is a safer place than it was four years ago. And since arms from US manufacturers are sent to other nations, probably including Germany, I doubt they are complaining.
Right - but you can't expect wonders. Trump is first of all a business man, but also a narcissist and not always the brightest. But it was right of him not to mess around with Putin. What do you prefere? A nuclear war? Don't underestimate Russia if it comes to this.
In my opinion it was right of Putin to help Assad against ISIS. The CIA made ISIS what they became and I don't know really know what their nasty game is. You are right that not supporting the Kurdish people in Syria was totally wrong and a quite nasty thing of all sides.
Trump preferred trade wars for making America stronger. I guess that the attacking the energy agreement with Russia is part of this.
The arms sales to Saudi Arabia didn't start with Trump and won't stop with Biden.
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TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
Is it only my imagination, or did I just hear someone shout "Seig Heil"?
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14 Nov 2020, 4:25 pm
Fnord wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
Is it only my imagination, or did I just hear someone shout "Seig Heil"?With that crowd... I'm sure you did.
14 Nov 2020, 5:24 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
Another super spreading event?
14 Nov 2020, 5:29 pm
quite an extreme wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
quite an extreme wrote:
You only elect the one who becomes paid most by the big companies after his election for politics that just sweets them. Wars are a great deal for the military–industrial complex. Not starting new wars like Trump was a nightmare for them.
But arms sales to Saudi Arabia so the Saudis could continue their war in Yemen was not. Naturally, Trump has not ended a single war, so arms sales are still going strong with the US military. And the assassination of an Iraqi general on a peace meeting in Iraq and the illegal sanction of Iran did not lower the risk of war.
But then Trump hates our allies like Germany and would rather make friends with dictators. He abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria giving Russia and Turkey a strategic advantage in the area. He is attacking Germany for their energy agreement with Russia and has pulled troops from Germany. He has attacked NATO. He has attacked US intelligence services, preferring to trust Putin. He gave the North Korean regime a huge boost to their legitimacy without having them concede anything.
Oddly enough, Trump did use the armed forces against US citizens in America, which is not what our troops are for.
No, Trump has not started a single war. But I am not sure we can say the world is a safer place than it was four years ago. And since arms from US manufacturers are sent to other nations, probably including Germany, I doubt they are complaining.
Right - but you can't expect wonders. Trump is first of all a business man, but also a narcissist and not always the brightest. But it was right of him not to mess around with Putin. What do you prefere? A nuclear war? Don't underestimate Russia if it comes to this.
In my opinion it was right of Putin to help Assad against ISIS. The CIA made ISIS what they became and I don't know really know what their nasty game is. You are right that not supporting the Kurdish people in Syria was totally wrong and a quite nasty thing of all sides.
Trump preferred trade wars for making America stronger. I guess that the attacking the energy agreement with Russia is part of this.
The arms sales to Saudi Arabia didn't start with Trump and won't stop with Biden.
So if the Saudi arms sales continue, what is exactly is your argument about military-industrial complex not liking Trump because of lost revenue? And if the Saudi arms sale was such a usual thing that you think a status quo politician like Biden would want, why did the Senate vote to block it?
So, you think the US should just capitulate to Putin? We have been in opposition to Russia for a very long time. Why would continuing to oppose Russia lead to nuclear war? And how does Trump's dismantling of nuclear weapons agreements with Russia help prevent a nuclear war? Do you think Germany is safer now because the INF has collapsed? Do you think Europe is safer with the dismantling of the Open Skies Treaty?
And how did the trade war make America stronger? Most economists predicted the trade war would not succeed. And it has not
You like Trump. That is fine. But the idea that he is some ideological peace president is just not supported.
14 Nov 2020, 5:34 pm
madbutnotmad wrote:
So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.
You do know that the progressives are "all" (hyperbole) about feelings, right?
AOC even said the facts are of lesser importance than morality.
Say what???! !!
Beautiful woman, but hardly an intellectual giant.
14 Nov 2020, 5:52 pm
Pepe wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.
You do know that the progressives are "all" (hyperbole) about feelings, right?
AOC even said the facts are of lesser importance than morality.
Say what???! ! !
Beautiful woman, but hardly an intellectual giant.
First, she is saying that facts matter, and not those "alternative facts" conservatives prefer. And standing next to conservative intellectuals (especially those that are misrepresenting her comments (hint, hint), she is a giant.
Perhaps a more open discussion would be better (but I assume you will cherry-pick the argument, but oh well):
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Critique of Fact-Checking Is Valid
What would really be nice is having people more interested in solutions rather than just ad hominem attacks on "rivals." But that is the internet.
14 Nov 2020, 5:54 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
Trump supporters rally today in DC at a "Million MAGA March"
It's their turn to have a demonstration.
And their turn to get ridiculed for having one.
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14 Nov 2020, 6:31 pm
Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.
You do know that the progressives are "all" (hyperbole) about feelings, right?
AOC even said the facts are of lesser importance than morality.
Say what???! ! !
Beautiful woman, but hardly an intellectual giant.
First, she is saying that facts matter, and not those "alternative facts" conservatives prefer. And standing next to conservative intellectuals (especially those that are misrepresenting her comments (hint, hint), she is a giant.
Perhaps a more open discussion would be better (but I assume you will cherry-pick the argument, but oh well):
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Critique of Fact-Checking Is Valid
What would really be nice is having people more interested in solutions rather than just ad hominem attacks on "rivals." But that is the internet.
Exquisite irony.
In the article you linked, it mentions she misrepresented/misunderstood the facts.
As I said, she is not a rocket surgeon.
Quote:
Early last month, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did a bad tweet. After misreading an article in the Nation on the Pentagon’s accounting errors, Ocasio-Cortez falsely claimed that the Defense Department had wasted enough money over the past two decades to finance 66 percent of Medicare for All. This was an innocent mistake. The congresswoman had cited her source, and linked to it, making it easy for fact-checkers to uncover her error — and thus, for Anderson Cooper to call attention to her “fuzzy math” on this week’s 60 Minutes.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01 ... r-all.html
And here, she admits she made a mistake.
She misunderstood the facts, and then made a moral judgment on that misunderstanding.
It is beautiful, like her.
Quote:
Confronted with her month-old mistake, Ocasio-Cortez replied, “If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01 ... r-all.html
Yes, AOC, ADM (Accuracy *Does* Matter).
14 Nov 2020, 6:36 pm
Pepe wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
So, as complex and inconsistent as all politicians may be (especially for us Logical honest ASD types)
i much more prefer the democrats/humanitarians.
You do know that the progressives are "all" (hyperbole) about feelings, right?
AOC even said the facts are of lesser importance than morality.
Say what???! ! !
Beautiful woman, but hardly an intellectual giant.
First, she is saying that facts matter, and not those "alternative facts" conservatives prefer. And standing next to conservative intellectuals (especially those that are misrepresenting her comments (hint, hint), she is a giant.
Perhaps a more open discussion would be better (but I assume you will cherry-pick the argument, but oh well):
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Critique of Fact-Checking Is Valid
What would really be nice is having people more interested in solutions rather than just ad hominem attacks on "rivals." But that is the internet.
Exquisite irony.
In the article you linked, it mentions she misrepresented/misunderstood the facts.
As I said, she is not a rocket surgeon.
Quote:
Early last month, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did a bad tweet. After misreading an article in the Nation on the Pentagon’s accounting errors, Ocasio-Cortez falsely claimed that the Defense Department had wasted enough money over the past two decades to finance 66 percent of Medicare for All. This was an innocent mistake. The congresswoman had cited her source, and linked to it, making it easy for fact-checkers to uncover her error — and thus, for Anderson Cooper to call attention to her “fuzzy math” on this week’s 60 Minutes.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01 ... r-all.html
And here, she admits she made a mistake.
She misunderstood the facts, and then made a moral judgment on that misunderstanding.
It is beautiful, like her.
Quote:
Confronted with her month-old mistake, Ocasio-Cortez replied, “If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01 ... r-all.html
Yes, AOC, ADM (Accuracy *Does* Matter).
:shakes head:
Silly me, I should have figured that a rational argument was not worth it, but rather a "gotcha" one.
