Why do people want Trump?
I'm no expert - my guess is that they'd say the idea was supposed to be that if the people wanted a particular (willing) person as their leader, that's who they should get, regardless of all else. Of course the system doesn't really let them do that, because the political parties decide who will "run" and who won't - I guess in theory anybody can try to "run," certainly anybody in the UK can, but they have to have a deposit - a sum of money that they don't get back if nobody votes for them, to stop the competition being flooded out with applicants who don't stand a chance (or can't afford the risk to their pocket). And you can't compete if you've got a criminal record or if you aren't a citizen. So even now they do have to meet certain qualifications, just not "intelligence" or integrity, presumably because those things are too subjective to measure.
I'm no expert - my guess is that they'd say the idea was supposed to be that if the people wanted a particular (willing) person as their leader, that's who they should get, regardless of all else. Of course the system doesn't really let them do that, because the political parties decide who will "run" and who won't - I guess in theory anybody can try to "run," certainly anybody in the UK can, but they have to have a deposit - a sum of money that they don't get back if nobody votes for them, to stop the competition being flooded out with applicants who don't stand a chance (or can't afford the risk to their pocket). And you can't compete if you've got a criminal record or if you aren't a citizen. So even now they do have to meet certain qualifications, just not "intelligence" or integrity, presumably because those things are too subjective to measure.
But having no criminal records aside, there are people with other important jobs that have to meet certain qualifications to have them. A doctor, or lawyer, or judge, or nuclear physicist for random examples, all need certain qualifications for those jobs. People cannot vote for whoever they want to have those jobs, just because they feel like picking whoever they want. So why can't the being a national leader also have those same qualifications?
Well, if I'd written the rules it might have been different. I suppose for "normal" jobs there's somebody with more power that the jobholders, who dictates the conditions. For the government itself, there is no higher power who could do that. But I really don't know. It's just the system that has somehow come into being, and it doesn't always make perfect sense. As for jobs, they require qualifications for a lot of them, but in some cases it's more of a recent add-on, and in others there's no exams for them so far. There was a time when you didn't need to pass a driving test to be allowed to drive a car. You can be a professional musician without passing any music proficiency exams, unless it's classical music.
Well also what if people had the power to just fire the President by vote if they didn't like him/her? I mean there is impeachment but that is a long process which doesn't seem to do much, in terms of firing usually. So why not just make it that people could vote to fire and the firing would be easy as firing someone from a non-union job?
Would that make people sit better when it comes to the Presidency?
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Would that make people sit better when it comes to the Presidency?
That’s literally what happened during the election. People voted for Biden, in turn firing trump instead of voting him in for a second term.
I think the only way a president gets fired on the spot is by impeachment Or if they lose their mind/are too sick then other members of government can vote to remove them. That was proposed several times for trump but they never had enough people willing to vote to toss him out for being crazy.
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Would that make people sit better when it comes to the Presidency?
That’s literally what happened during the election. People voted for Biden, in turn firing trump instead of voting him in for a second term.
I think the only way a president gets fired on the spot is by impeachment Or if they lose their mind/are too sick then other members of government can vote to remove them. That was proposed several times for trump but they never had enough people willing to vote to toss him out for being crazy.
But you can only fire a President every election. The fact that people have to wait that long gets them all riled up more. If you can fire the President at any point, like how you can terminate people on other jobs, instead of having to wait four years, then that limits the President's power, thus the people would have more control and be more satisfied.
There's some machinery for the voters to remove any member of parliament (on a local level in the MP's constituency) in the UK, though it has to be based on "serious wrongdoing," and it doesn't look like it can be done purely by voters without the bigwigs giving it the go-ahead first. It's been successfully done a few times.
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In the US there are mid-term elections, where the voters can at least remove the president's control of both houses, so a lot can be done to limit the power of a president who has become unpopular after 2 years. There's nothing like it in the UK except when an MP resigns or dies, in which case there has to be a local election, and that can chip away at the incumbent government's power. Still, it remains true that a government can go on for years when they've clearly lost their real mandate to govern. If there was an election tomorrow, he might well lose, but in theory he can sail on regardless for another 2 or 3 years, unless his own MPs call a vote on him, as it seems they may now be about to do. The opposition can also call a vote of no confidence in the government any time they like, and if that works then there has to be a general election. But it's unlikely to work if the government is still running on a big majority, even if it's only past glory.
I suppose the thinking behind it is that it could make a country very hard to run if there was a change of government every few weeks. Nobody would know where they stood.
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Well one thing people say about Trump is that he is sexist, but I cannot find any women who have come forth to accuse him of any mistreatment or abuse though, for one thing.
Lol Wut?
Several have. One accused him of raping her in a department store change room. trump was also accused of raping a 13 year old girl with Jeffrey Epstein. There’s also a very famous tape recording of him talking about grabbing women by the p****. There are interviews of him stating that he walks into the dressing rooms at the beauty pageant he owns so he can have a look at the teenaged girls. He’s made statements about how attracted he is to his own daughter, Ivanka, and that he’d be dating her if they weren’t related.
You don’t have to look very far at all to see all kinds of examples of him behaving like this.
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Well one thing people say about Trump is that he is sexist, but I cannot find any women who have come forth to accuse him of any mistreatment or abuse though, for one thing.
Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations
Two of the allegations (by Ivana Trump and Jill Harth) became public before Trump's candidacy for president, but the rest arose after a 2005 audio recording was leaked during the 2016 presidential campaign. Trump was recorded bragging that a celebrity like himself "can do anything" to women, including "just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the p****". Trump subsequently characterized those comments as "locker room talk" and denied actually behaving that way toward women, and he also apologized for the crude language. Many of his accusers stated that Trump's denials provoked them into going public with their allegations.
Another type of accusation was made, primarily after the audio recording surfaced, by several former Miss USA and Miss Teen USA contestants, who accused Trump of entering the dressing rooms of beauty pageant contestants. Trump, who owned the Miss Universe franchise, which includes both pageants, was accused of going into dressing rooms in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006, while contestants were in various stages of undress. Trump had already referred to this practice during a 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show, saying he could "get away with things like that" because he owned the beauty pageants the women and girls were competing in.
In June 2019, writer E. Jean Carroll alleged in New York magazine that Trump raped her in a department store dressing room in 1995 or 1996. The magazine said two friends of Carroll confirmed that Carroll had previously confided in them in regard to the incident. Trump called the allegation fiction and denied ever meeting Carroll, although New York had published a photo of Trump and Carroll together in 1987. In October 2019, the book All the President's Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator[a] by Barry Levine and Monique El-Faizy was published, containing 43 additional allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump.
Trump has denied all the allegations against him, saying he has been the victim of media bias, conspiracies, and a political smear campaign. In October 2016, Trump publicly vowed to sue all the women who have made allegations of sexual misconduct against him, as well as The New York Times for publishing the allegations, but he has yet to follow through with any legal action.
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Oh okay thanks. I guess I was looking in the wrong places . When it comes to this tape where it comes to him saying grabbing a woman down there, is there the original full recording somewhere, where I can hear the whole thing in context, rather than just the one line, you can find easily?
Here's a video of it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
I strongly suspect that video would have sunk his chances without trace if he'd been standing for election in the UK.
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