Is it WRONG to own guns, rifles, swords, knives, etc.?

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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The intent of that statement was to ensure the security of the fledgling United States, which had no military at the time. The military, or militia, was the people. It has been misinterpreted by the NRA and gun-loving morons for years. The ridiculous NRA lobby has ensured that my children will not be safe even walking down the streets. I live in the DC area and had to suffer through the DC Sniper crap. My wife was at the one location not an hour before with one of our kids. I passed by another just two hours before on my way to the airport. When I returned from that trip, a third incident had occurred and I got stuck in one of the dragnets. To think that human beings are so ignorant to want to have the ability to kill, and from a distance, thus removing the close mental connection to the act, is sickening and twisted and makes me ashamed to be related to the lot of you. Only a weak-minded fool would find the need to carry any weapon. All weapons should be abolished. What a sad lot the human race is.

Hmm. You also haven't realised something about Australian culture. We're always skeptical about authority. Comes from being originally a convict colony.

As for soliders going postal, it is not just because of perhaps a little resident evil within, but also, shall we say, the working conditions. High stress job, especially if you have scruples. In fact, we should take all the army's guns away and give 'em to the citizens for safe keeping![/joke]

But seriously, maybe a good psychological test may be a good thing to do for applying for a gun license. They do them for the military, so why not for gun licenses?

I mean I know hand guns aren't that effective against a military, but I do support bringing back mandatory participation for all able-bodied men in the citizen militias, and I think they need to be funded. Either rate, even if we can't win an all-out war with an awol military force, there are easily over millions of guns on the streets, we could halt their progress.

Sure. And that is "one man, one vote". Not the President having the only vote.

I was previously locked up in a mental hospital for attempting suicide, they won't sell me a gun.

That doesn't guarantee anything, American politics are dirty. We don't get to choose who runs for office that much really, we can vote once it's narrowed down to 2 people, or maybe to 2 people within a party nomination. But hell, they've been rigging and stealing elections for so many years now. Look at how Bush got elected.

Regarding Quatermass: agreed, seconded and carried.

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The right to bear arms is a last resort line of defense. But it's an important line of defense because without it we're physically defenseless.

I understand that, and it makes sense, but take into consideration that not all of them are criminals, some of them came from Mexico, all came through Mexico but a lot of them are from Central and South America. Most cases it is for desperation and hunger because of poverty, they don't have their governments permission to do that, also some of them DIE during the journey. So this illegal inmigration thing is not as simple as that. I don't know enough of it actually how it is though, but I won't go judging on it without having more information or facts on BOTH sides, and the source of the problem.

And some of them have been abused because they are not citizens so not much legal protection in case of any complain, I heard.

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You've also got to take into account we only have a 2 party system, and both parties are filthy corrupt.

Australian politics is dirty, but probably less so. Also, we have a number of other parties that we can vote for. Technically speaking, the government currently in power is a coalition of the National and Liberal parties, and the main Opposition is Labour. That's three parties, not to mention a number of other parties like the Greens, the Democrats, and so on.



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Actually Mexico's government is just as corrupt if not maybe even more than ours is. Theyr economy is supported on drug sells and criminal activity. Not all Mexicans are criminals, that would be a racist statement if I said that they were. But a significant number of them are, MS13 for instance. Yes poverty is a problem for them, but Mexico's leaders aren't doing a lot to fix this situation. They don't really care much about their people, they only care about their own wealth (kinda like our leaders). They do encourage them to immigrate here illegally, to send money back to Mexico. However their leaders often take the profit from the economy for themselves rather than help their own people.
I do feel for their situation, however, we can't sacrifice our own economic well being in order to help them. We must look after our own yard first. I know this might sound cold but it's reality, and it's not realistic to do away with national borders (atleast in a non-globalist format).... Globalism would be horrible, because the LAST thing we need is LARGER government. They are already way too far out of hand as it is, larger government would mean even more corruption.

Your above post about being locked up proves my point finally, and I'm glad that you would never be able to carry one. Too many nutters around already, and obviously if you were let loose with one, the government would be quite within their rights to put you six feet under. It's called 'keeping the streets safe'. As I said earlier, if you don't like them, vote them out or write a letter of complaint. Getting your head blown off for a pathetic belief that they are corrupt and you can stop them makes you out to be even more of a lunatic in their eyes, as well as those of everyone else. Either get with the program or get on a plane for somewhere else. Either way, it's your decision.

Look, I'm being nice and all your doing is throwing insults, your not countering ANY of my arguments, your just blatantly and beligerantly attacking me. This s**t needs to stop, your being ignorant and childish. Your attitude belongs in the 9th grade.

As a conscientious objector to war, I would never serve in any military. I do not believe in murder for any reason other than a direct assault on my children in which force is the only means to protect them, and only as a last resort for self-defense. Proposing mandatory military service is ludicrous and would not respect the rights and beliefs of all of the citizens of said country.

Who is being childish here? Sheesh! I have told you time and time again, (and I'm sick of wasting my breath) that i) your government aren't out to get you regardless of your belief that they are. If they were, your stay in that nut-house would have been a lot longer than it was; ii) There is absolutely NO NEED in 2007 for ANYONE apart from the police to be carrying a gun, apart from criminals; and for them to be carrying weapons is illegal and the police would deal with them. Self defence is not and never has been an issue, because carrying a gun provokes a response. I couldn't care whether the gun wa sin your bag, your glove-box in your car, your shoulder-holster or up your arse. Even permits for these weapons are only issued on the grounds that they will not be used unless in a dire emergency, and even then the courts look on their use as being unwarranted. The police are the only ones permitted to freely use force to stop crime, not a vigilante Rambo type society who would more than likely kill some innocent sod because they know nothing about what they are doing. Only a backward moron would have given his country the right to carry a weapon, and that's exactly what I think John Adams was. And my last point is this iii) if you were planning on raising a coup against your government, for whatever reason; it would not only give them every right to kill you, but you would be held up for treason and possibly either executed or you would spend the rest of your days rotting in jail. So I think I have more than adequately covered your lame arguments; and seriously, if you can't see that, maybe you should go back for more treatment.