I think Aspergeans should NOT have children

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25 Sep 2009, 2:45 am

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Early (gnostic) christians thought no one should have children.

Which is why, thank goodness, there are no more early Christians. Now if we could only manage something with the other Christians ...

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25 Sep 2009, 10:31 am

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Too late for your objection. My kids are really cool and cute.

LOL, too many cute kids from my sister and brother's side of the family. One of them doesn't have aspergers but a speech impediment. I wouldn't want anyone telling me whether or not his flaw would've been a very good enough excuse for him not to exist. He's definitely got own strengths just as he does his weaknesses.

Besides aspergers isn't couldn't be half as bad as diabetes and other sufferable illnesses people are never well informed of before having children.

Anyway if I had to choose I'd go for adoption, but they make that option harder and almost impossible than having children.

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29 Sep 2009, 7:50 pm

I'd rather judge based on the individual, not AS vs. NT. I do believe in eugenics. I mean, overpopulation is a major problem, so freedom to reproduce has to go. China's got the idea, but I think they should make it zero kids except for those who qualify somehow. Maybe that elite few could each have more than 1 kid each, but only be a small fractino of the population.
Anyway, you wouldn't be the first person to choose not to have any kids for whatever reasons people have. It would obviously be much easier financially to remain childless. It might also be better for the longterm survival of humanity.

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29 Sep 2009, 7:52 pm

Magnus wrote:

Too late for your objection. My kids are really cool and cute.

That's you and your kid on your avatar, right?

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29 Sep 2009, 9:32 pm

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Are my views too negative?

....yes, and your self-esteem is even lower than mine. I have enough pride not to want to remove myself from the gene pool, and you should reserve that little morsel of pride for yourself.Nobody, no how matter how stupid, ugly, fat, lazy or incompetent, should hate themselves that much, and I doubt you fit into any of those extremes.

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29 Sep 2009, 10:39 pm

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In general the universe is almost infinitely clever in devising methods to destroy life and life sustaining environments. It is only by countering these attacks that evolution creates as many solutions as it can devise to keep surviving. So far it has done pretty well but it has neither the resources nor the generality of the entire universe and it cannot afford to dispense with any possibility of a characteristic for survival value. Whatever their sophistication, humans have nowhere the total knowledge or facilities to comprehend all dangers to the basic survival of life and each gene variation is a tool in countering the destructive forces of the universe. None of them should be discarded out of this ignorance.

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29 Sep 2009, 10:58 pm

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While I don't agree with your belief or philosophic basis, I do often wonder why we need a license to drive but not to procreate, and why we subsidize those who continue to have children they are unable to support. We spay and neuter animals, with organizations working to that effect, yet offer little in the way to assist more in terms of voluntary birth control for humans.

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29 Sep 2009, 11:02 pm

makuranososhi wrote:

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Probably because legal human neutering has been so totally misused in the past to support racial and ethnic prejudices.

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29 Sep 2009, 11:06 pm

Sand wrote:

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Probably because legal human neutering has been so totally misused in the past to support racial and ethnic prejudices.

True, thus the 'voluntary' qualifier. I don't agree with eugenics; I also don't think that given the effects we as a species have on our environment that continuing to encourage breeding (increased welfare per child, for example) is an intelligent method to pursue. Of course, then it seems a possible outcome that those who see the problem would be those who would take part, affecting the future generations by their decision not to contribute to the gene pool. It is a rather Gordian issue.

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29 Sep 2009, 11:30 pm

What are eugenics?

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29 Sep 2009, 11:35 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

What are eugenics?

Mirriam-Webster wrote:

: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditary qualities of a race or breed

Think animal husbandry for the human species.

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30 Sep 2009, 9:18 am

makuranososhi wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

What are eugenics?

Mirriam-Webster wrote:

: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditary qualities of a race or breed

Think animal husbandry for the human species.

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Something that still goes on in society today.

/look into the studies of sex, the necessity of sex to maintain healthy mental and physical function, and the dynamics of modern society vs what would happen if prostitution were legalized.

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30 Sep 2009, 9:52 am

Actually, if the details could be properly worked out so that everybody benefits and nobody is hurt, Legalized prostitution could be a large element in population control.

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01 Oct 2009, 7:14 pm

Sand wrote:

makuranososhi wrote:

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Probably because legal human neutering has been so totally misused in the past to support racial and ethnic prejudices.

About 20% of the world's population (China) are lacking freedom of reproduction. They'd be more than 20% if they had more kids :wink:

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03 Oct 2009, 4:23 pm

Mw99 wrote:

I know my statement about aspies not having children could be construed as being provocative, especially since some of you claim to have kids, but I honestly believe people like us shouldn't reproduce.

In my case, whenever I think about having kids, I ask myself some of the following questions (and these are just hypothetical questions, as I'd first need to find a woman to reproduce with, which so far seems like an extremely difficult task to accomplish):

1) Why would you want to bring kids to this world to suffer the way you suffered?
2) Why would you want to degenerate the human gene pool even further?
3) Given my neuropsychological condition, am I really fit to raise a child?
4) Given all my flaws and defects, what example will I give my children?

So what do you all think about the way I think in regards to "aspergean reproduction"? Are my views too negative?

(I hope I did not offend anyone with my comments.)

You make very good points. I have wondered this myself. but I would only be concerned if my child was born normal . I say this because if they were normal they would not understand me and i would not understand them making me unfit to raise them.

If they were and aspi like myself i would have no problem with the idea.

But i like being an aspi and some do not.

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04 Oct 2009, 2:39 pm

Mw99 wrote:

1) Why would you want to bring kids to this world to suffer the way you suffered?
2) Why would you want to degenerate the human gene pool even further?
3) Given my neuropsychological condition, am I really fit to raise a child?
4) Given all my flaws and defects, what example will I give my children?

1) suffering is a part of life that all people must endure and is not by itself a negative thing.

2) for the lols?

3) only you can answer that question

4) we all have "flaws" and "defects", the example this gives to children depends on how you allow these "flaws" and "defects" to shape the person that you are.

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