Do you believe in God?

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I must read from the Book of Psalms in my own Bible. Accelerator, what are some of the books you have read on Christianity? I'm compiling a reading-list for myself.

I love C.S Lewis..

Apart from that.. only the Bible..


When the unbelieving Jews.. questioned whether Jesus was actually God's son..

In his defence..

Jesus quoted Psalms 82:5

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“Once more the Jews lifted up stones to stone him. Jesus replied to them: "I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?"

The Jews answered him: "We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god."

Jesus answered them : "Is it not written in your Law, `I said: "You are gods"'?

If he called `gods' those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, `You blaspheme,' because I said, I am God's Son?

If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me, believe the works, in order that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father."

John 10:31

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how can you hold all this for truth? Just because it is written in a book by people?

“And besides the fact that the congregator had become wise, he also taught the people knowledge continually, and he pondered and made a thorough search, that he might arrange many proverbs in order.

The congregator sought to find the delightful words and the
writing of correct words of truth.

The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like
nails driven in are those indulging in collections of sentences;
they have been given from one shepherd.

As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.”

Ecclesiastes 12:9

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yawn yawn yawn

It's a book written by God, dictated to and transcribed by people, albeit imperfectly.

says who???

What's the point of quoting all these parable and proverbs and quotes from that book? Does it mean that you know what it means???

Yes.

No one is asking you to believe in God if that belief is not natural for you.

"The prophets Isaiah & Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time that they would be misunderstood, and so be the cause of imposition.

Isaiah answered: "I saw no God, nor heard any, `in a finite organical perception'; but my senses discovered the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, and remained confirmed, that the voice on honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for the consequences but wrote.'

Then I asked: `Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so?

He replied: "All poets believe that it does, and in ages of
imagination this firm persuasion moved mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything."

William Blake

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"I write you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie originates with the truth." - 1John 2:21

As for what the verses mean...... to summarize..

God is a spirit.. that exists in human hearts and minds.

NOT a supernatural being.

But rather.. the Spirit of Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Peace.. Wisdom.. Truth and Freedom.

Do you believe in these core human values.. ?

If so.. you believe in God.

If not.. then you must be an atheist..........

Isn't that what Jesus taught.. ?

That God is a Spirit.

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"For we are not writing you things except those which you well know or also recognize; and I hope you will continue to recognize to the end, just as you have also recognized, to an extent, that we are a cause for you to boast, just as you will also be on the day of our Lord Jesus. He has also put his seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit in our hearts."

2Corinthians 1:12

http://www.apocatastasis.net/God/SEVEN- ... f-God.html

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"And if you will certainly swear, 'As God is alive in TRUTH, IN JUSTICE, AND IN RIGHTEOUSNES!' then in him the nations will actually bless themselves, and in him they will boast about themselves."

Jeremiah 4:2

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“God thinks within geniuses, dreams within poets, and sleeps within the rest of us”

Peter Antenberg



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woon jij in Mokum...the bible belt regio van Nederland???

I can't remember if I responded to this thread so I'm at risk of repeating myself

I voted yes.

That and I really think atheism, rather than being an end step, is an intermediary step - ie. when you realize the true grime and corruption of the world. When you look a bit deeper at the puzzles of our own biology, the way our psyche's are still built, and a myriad of other issues though; you can easily enough come to the realization that atheism's tenants may well be too simple to explain the whole picture.

I find the concept fascinating as well that; for those saints, church doctors, and high theologians who've shed light on their deepest thoughts, that many of them had beliefs and emotional mind states that had complete faith but simultaneously teetered on knife's edge between full faith and atheism. There's a child's faith which is seeking emotional warmth and comfort in the teachings and prayer, and then there's the adult and more gnostic version which is completely embracing the darkness and acknowledging the seeming lack of any presence of God, the feeling like your talking into thin air when you pray, etc..

No.. no.. no.. obsesión pura..

Vivo en el campo..

Vivia en America Central toambien..

Pero.. hace muchas lunas.

Hasta manyana........

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“The distinction between natural and supernatural, in fact, broke down; and when it had done so, the burden of intolerable strangeness which this universe imposes on us by dividing it into two halves and encouraging the mind never to think of both in the same context.

What price we may have paid for this comfort in the way of false security and accepted confusion of the thought is another matter.”

C.S. Lewis

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This sounds like a bit of projection here.

Despite 2000 years of trying to prove god, theists STILL don't have a single shred of evidence for their beliefs.