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Most spiritual traditions believe that so you think, so you become. From this follows that sex is in most cases harmful to spiritual development because in most cases it draws the human mind down towards its animal propensities. You only have one mind with which you can think only one thing at a time. When the human mind is immersed in animality, it has a harder time to pursue the spiritual goal and gets crudified in the process.

Physically, excessive sex may be harmful, mentally it need not be, but spiritually it is always harmful to occupy the mind with sexual ideation (whether you act things out or not).
It is, relatively speaking, just a short time since we left the animal world. That is why we still feel very much attracted to our animal propensities. Technically speaking, we no longer have any need for having sex, it can all be done in a laboratory.

Except for the religious and social taboo, homosexuality is no different from any other type of sexuality. Having someone or being had by someone, it's all just a matter of perspective and taste.

Last edited by Daran on 20 Aug 2008, 5:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You have a very fine justification for your opinion of yellow. I however, do not.

No the concept of homosexuality being a choice is absurd, you're reading too much into it (though admittedly it was a terrible example). The fact is, homosexuality, like faith is something that many people possess, but I don't. However, because I do not have it, doesn't mean I don't respect it on some basic level.

Dude, I don't care. Have religion, I'm fine with that. I only care when people's rights are being infringed, buildings are blowing up, or if I'm told I'm going to hell because I think young-Earth creationism is a pile of BS.

If you don't mind me saying, that's actually a pretty awesome reason for choosing your favorite color. I decided, fourteen years ago, that my favorite color was red as it was the color of blood (I was very interested in human biology at the time).

Quite frankly your arguments were terrible and badly thought out. The assumptions I made following logically from your equivocating.

I don't have religion. I don't think anyone else should either.

Homosexuality and faith are different concepts. People do not possess homosexuality. They ARE homosexual. They have no choice in the matter.

People have a choice to possess faith and according to you (as an agnostic), they should not do this. You simply cannot accept religion as legitimate and also not share this view. Either you are right or they are. You can't both be. So which is it? Either you are agnostic and religion is false, or you are not agnostic and religion is true.

The quality of your being an agnostic presupposes that you disbelieve in religion.

If you think religion is "okay", why are you not religious?

Please remember that religion is a choice, it is not an inherent trait.

One cannot chose to be homosexual however one views homosexuality.

you said laid.

in a thread about gays.

fa***t.

I think you may be confusing me with the athiest.

ag·nos·tic Audio Help /ægˈnɒstɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ag-nos-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
–adjective 3. of or pertaining to agnostics or agnosticism.
4. asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.

I agree, they really sucked. They're a lot better when I'm not bored to tears by every single "angry atheist."



I am agnostic and religion is false.

I am okay with people believing a lie.

I am okay with this because I am apathetic and it gives them hope.



Yes, I'm aware, it was a sh***y example that I chose because of the topic, but I admit it was sh***y. I'll punch myself in the balls for my stupidity if you drop it.

^Oops. I just realized you were speaking to someone else.

I'd like to contest Daran's statement. I'm not sure if the majority of spiritual systems disdain the physical form. I certainly don't.

Also, humans are animals. We have not 'transcended' the animal kingdom. We're hominids, and hominids are animals. Being bipedal doesn't make us less animal.

I'm sorry if I upset you. I did not intend to do that. My apologies. Please do not attack yourself, your ideas were at fault, you were not.

I personally find it disturbing that so many people believe something, that I think they have no good reason to believe.

I am not so apathetic. Sometimes I am.

I don't agree with atheists either but I am sympathetic to their cause.

considering how little value most theists have on life since they're all banking on the afterlife, i'm not apathetic. especially with this garbage now going on with the US and russia.

He is not, but with that post, he made an interesting representation of Christianity, I would go biased to go with that representation, for the fun of it

christians are:

irrational: yes. belief in something with no evidence other than stories and popularity is pretty irrational. granted the asch conformity experiments studied it and showed that people will say anything and believe anything to simply fit in with a crowd...but when has "but someone else is doing it" been an acceptable excuse?

bigots...well, let's look at this thread...

ignorant: of course. and there are those who love to spread it through lies about contraceptives, sexuality, and psychology.

No, no, this is a misunderstanding. I was just joking, I was trying to be a little lighthearted, I wasn't really about to abuse myself. All is well, though I appreciate your sensitivity.



I do to when people really seem convinced that the Earth is six-thousand years old, that a man and his children built a boat that repopulated the Earth, and that a person will rot for eternity in Hell because they don't accept a savior for which there is no logical reason to accept.

But I honestly think people like this are the minority. Most people identify themselves as a member of a particular religious faith, but in most cases it's more of a matter of tradition and the way they were brought up. If you ask your average Christian if they believe in the literal truth of the Bible, they will say yes. However, if you really make them think about the Bible's specifics and, for instance, ask them if they truly believe that a prostitute should be burned at the stake or that slavery is condoned (yes, I know it's the Old Testament, but it's still the Bible), they would probably have to think pretty hard about it.

Homophobia actually means "fear of sameness." Everyone uses it to denote a fear of homosexuals, which it isn't. You can be opposed to homosexuality but necessarily afraid of it, or the people who practise it. You miscontrue aversion as fear.

I know how to literally interpret the Greek, but that's just semantics.



The definition of homophobia also defines it as an "aversion" to homosexuality in addition to the fear. Plus, a good number of homophobes I've met are insecure about their own sexuality, so the literal definition implying fear sorta makes sense.