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Prove it.

Stick to economics, Spock-man.

You made a claim about the nature of reality, and I asked you to prove it. You have not done so. Therefore, it seems to me that you are just spouting out nonsense.

In any case, I do pay some attention to philosophy, and the issue of natural rights is a philosophical one.

Actually, I don't advocate white supremacy, and I don't care for white supremacy at all. What I would prefer is White Separation. I feel strongly that white people who are so inclined should be able to create a "white homeland" much like Israel. As Caucasians are pretty much an endangered species, why should we not get our own area for people like myself who are inclined to preserve our occidental culture? I believe in Freedom of Association, which is in direct conflict with governmental mandates like Affirmative action and busing. The government has a general mandate to impose black and minority culture on this nation and impose acceptance of multiculturalism upon the increasingly dwindling majority. I feel that people should be allowed to be with the people that they want to be with. If a black business owner wants to hire only black employees, no one will say anything to him and he would be perceived as a proud black man, which is fine. However, if a white business owner wanted to hire only white people, he would be called racist and the government would force him to integrate.

I understand that most people on this site identify as liberal. I expected a ton of negative feedback when I posted, but quite frankly, I am not bothered. I am willing and able to defend myself from the liberal onslaught. I have been called an extremist my whole life and I am just used to it. I just hate seeing centuries of western tradition circling the drain in favor of rap music and the like. I don't hate other races, I just get agitiated by seeing rap artists with their pants down at their hips and this multicultural dreck being passed off as our cultural standard. I feel that upper-class white liberals have no idea of what is really going on in poorer neighborhoods, and they think that more welfare, enabling, and social programs are the answer. I think that white democrats are basically fostering their own eventual destruction.

It does irritate me to see white people "acting black." Most aspects of black and other minority culture I find noisome, but just because I think I have sensory issues to things I find tacky, tawdry, and unfamiliar. I find rap music to be extremely offensive and I hate seeing that accepted as a legitimate cultural medium. I don't actually hate minorities, but I feel that whites who are so inclined should be allowed to not have to be around them. Like it or not, however, this is the world we live in and we have to deal with everyone. I have come to terms with the fact that most of what I want will probably never come to be. I am opposed, obviously, to interracial marriage, as a principle, because I prefer whites to breed with eachother and foster white offspring. You can't really do anything about people finding love and if it is with another ethnicity, than so be it. I would just prefer white women to choose to breed with white men and keep up the caucasian stock instead of choosing to have more minority children. White women of childbearing capabilities make up only 1% of the world population, so they are at a premium and need to be pumping out as many white kids as possible to revitalize the race. As for me, of course, I would never date a black woman, and I plan to have several children and raise them with my values.

I have no desire to see white people impose any kind of control or dominion over any other ethnic group. I just want to see caucasian culture be preserved and unadulterated. I also am strongly opposed to the continued infiltration of Islam into western countries, and I view Islam as a tremendous threat. I feel that white people need to wake up, grow some balls, and begin to aggressively defend their perrogatives. Rather than try and find a way to co-exist with Islam in western countries, Muslims just need to be repatriated. Radical Islam is determined to impose thier will and Sharia law on western countries, and they must be stopped by any means necessary.

I know alot of people will or have been offended by things I have written on this post, and if they are, then I am sorry and so be it. I just feel the need sometimes to say how I feel about things and I am not encumbered by political correctness. I know most of my views are way out of the consensus, but oh well. I have never been anywhere close to social acceptance anyway.

I respect liberal points of view, even though I think that liberals are generally well-meaning but misguided.

Millions of people feel the same way I do to a greater or lesser degree or with variables, but have just been cowed into silence by the "rainbow coalition." I still believe that the "silent majority" will rise again and that the people who voted against Barry the Clown will again be heard.

I will say that I am proud to be a white man. In school we were taught that we should be ashamed to be white. I prefer to honor who I am.

That's really a shame (if it is the un-jaundiced truth) - in my school, there was never an attempt to shame people for being white. We were able to look critically at American history and see beyond many of the myths without resorting to self-loathing. I think many people on both sides are trapped in an either/or thought pattern - either George Washington and his crew were blameless saints, or they were evil thugs; either the US is a land of incredible opportunity or ingrained racism. The truth doesn't fit neatly into either exclusive paradigm.




Sure. Just declare the US Constitution null and void and deprive large groups of people of religious liberty. That's a modest proposal.



I'm not sure if that is the mosque my sister goes to, could be U-city or west county. My sister converted as an adult - she is a US born Caucasian. Where do you propose she be 'repatriated' to? If she is allowed to stay, will she be forced to wear a green crescent on all her clothing to alert people to her religious beliefs??

I read the book before and it's a sad state of affairs that getting a job that pays only minimum wage in a area makes for a difficult living. It seems like this thread had gone from the discussion from the book to immigration...

There is no such thing as "Caucasian culture" as such. The modern secular, industrial scientific order has been brought about by the efforts of people from many nations, cultures and (so-called) races.

There is no such thing as Caucasian science, Caucasian mathematics or Caucasian engineering. That is something done by humans with sufficient drive, ambition and brain power.

ruveyn

Of course there is Caucasian Culture - it is practiced in Scotland! Every one should talk, dress, think and act like people in Glasgow. Conform to the norm or be jailed!!

Speak your mind, but stop having such a weak mind. There is actually a pretty fair mix of political views here. I'm no liberal, libertarian is a better descriptor for me.



Dig it, but what you extrapolate from this is disgusting. You are misdiagnosing society's ills. A large one is bigoted people (which you seem to possibly be).



Ironic.



Because it's patently false.



Absolutely nothing, so long as your doing so does not interfere with the rest of the world. I know much about my ancestry and take much pride in it, but it's a personal thing, and involving others turns your pride into attempted supremacy. The world is changing (slowly, for the better imo), and if you need to put a halt to this change to preserve your "culture", then you're not truly concerned with your pride and heritage, you are merely reacting to things you don't like (as opposed to taking pride in things that you do like).



I've seen nothing to suggest this. Again, ironic that YOU use the word extreme to describe monty's views.



Source or this is a joke.



No it doesn't. They have the right to do as they please, but it's not a "natural right", whatever the hell that even means.



We're not cattle.



Unfortunately for you, the rest of the world has the intention of moving forward, not regressing. Israel should not exist as a "homeland" for the Jews, just as there should be no "white homeland". Live wherever you want, but you don't have the right to keep others out.



Joke



I am white. Your "culture" should be wiped from the face of the Earth. I am a proud white man. You are a proud white bigot.



I am against affirmative action and busing, but likely not for the same reasons as you. My reasons stem from caring about those less fortunate.



I can really go sentence by sentence and tear your weak attempt at an argument to pieces. I doubt I will, cause dealing with this level of ignorance tilts me to no end. The first part of your statement is patently false. The second part is a good thing. Multiculturalism is a positive.



No one's stopping you. But you don't get to decide who moves in next door. That is not your right.



There is a very small nugget of truth to this, but it pains me that you use it to "enforce" your nothing argument. Business owners should have the right to hire who they like.



I haven't been around for that long, but I've been active, and I do not see how you can make this statement. Lots of conservatives. But of course, I understand what you mean by "liberal", anyone who doesn't apply to your regretful politics.



Willing, but clearly unable. Your posts are weak with opinion and emotion. I'm not a liberal.



Yes you do. Maybe in an attempt to justify your positions, you've convinced yourself that you're a "good person" and not a racist. You're a racist, and you hate other races.



I am anti-welfare.



It is a legitimate cultural medium. Or maybe you prefer good ole rock n' roll, which came from the blues. If we're talking music, any music that is any good has it's roots in black culture.



You can say it over and over, but you hate minorities.



You have the right to be where you like, but you do not have the right to decide where someone else is. If that happens to be in the same city as you, you're just gonna have to learn to live with it.



And that is a good thing.



Please don't.



Yes you do.



Your prerogatives. My prerogatives are peace, love and freedom, and you're prerogatives are standing in the way of my prerogatives. Prerogatives.



Wat?



Not even close. I wouldn't even put it in the tens of thousands.



Ban-worthy imo.



Better to be a proud HUMAN BEING than a proud white bigot.

LOL - there is no doubt that Brusilov was invoking blatantly racist arguments, and I am being painted the racist for disagreeing??

FYI, I am genetically Scottish/Irish/German and a few other Northwestern European things thrown in. I have the family tartans, I go to the highland games, I enjoy reading books and watching films about "white" culture in places like Inverness, Hveragerðisbær and Beverly Hills.

Being content with being white doesn't preclude me from seeing the history in terms of the racism that really did occur (and still exists, to a much lesser degree). And it doesn't stop me from accepting other people that come from different lineages - I am curious about cultures, I think that most cultures have developed artifacts and mentifacts and sociofacts of beauty and value (which is not to say I accept all their values or beliefs). America has always been a melting pot/layer cake, and the composite alloy is stronger than the individual ingredients. Of course, not everyone is American, but most of Europe, Asia, and Africa have also been melting pots over the past few thousand years.

If people want to do things to preserve their traditions and heritage, I'm fine with that (and I do it myself to a degree) ... but that is rather different than moaning and weeping about miscegenation (as Brusilov did). Such anti-miscegenation noise goes far beyond a person expressing their own preferences for association - it attempts to enforce one person's set of preferences on others. The word miscegenation itself is as loaded as the term eugenics - it has a history, and people that promote it as Brusilov did usually carry ideological baggage from the various reactionary movements.

As a geographer, my perspective is that different 'races' (and languages and cultures) exist because humans migrated out from a central hearth where the species originated, and technology (or lack there of) led to isolation. In isolation, each group of humans developed on a different path. That phase in history is over. We have ships, planes and trains to physically connect all, and telecommunications to connect us on an information level. This has inevitable consequences for human history. I certainly don't want to erase past cultures, but I do see them growing together to a greater degree into something different and exciting. People should enjoy the past and try to save the most valuable things, but culture and the genetic makeup of groups has always changed, and will continue to change. It is silly to see the patterns of the past as fixed or the apex of human development; attempts to freeze things the way they are are foolish and doomed to fail. Yes, that is a liberal American view of the world. But not anti-white.

Whoa VT. Good points overall, but you need to be corrected on one major point.

Rap sucks, and so does most all rock. Jazz is fairly good, but the later forms of "music" that developed are all pretty much crap. The best music by far comes from the European musical traditions, especially in Germany and Austria. No rap can compare to Bach.

Orwell (and Vibratetogether) you need to be corrected on a few points:

Much rap, and much rock sucks.

Rap should not be compared to Bach - rap started out as poetry set to a beat, and would be better compared to other poetry. One could say that much 'rap' music today is simplistic base-thumping filled with glorification of bling, violence or misogyny ... but one could argue that most rock is simplistic glorification of sex, drugs, and itself (and neither is entirely true). Matisyahu has songs that are properly considered rap (yes, Matisyahu does Hasidic rap with a Reggae flavor, but much is rap none the less).

Bach and Mozart and the European tradition were elaborate explorations of a mathematical/neural space that can be pretty amazing.

The notion that 'the best music by far' comes from European musical traditions is suspect ... I would put classic Indian music on par with it. And the music of Latin America and Africa, although influenced by Europe, are distinct enough to stand on their own and can be rewarding to explore. Chinese music I don't get at all, but maybe one has to be exposed to it before the brain wiring hardens to understand.

And there is a reason a good pop song gets stuck in people's head ... although pooh-poohed by those that appreciate 'real' music, pop music actually fills a human need, and the great pop songs truly are great.

Bluegrass? I like it.

Strictly speaking, rap is not actually music. And a lot of rock just sucks- amplifying to the point of distortion is not music. A lot of the "music" that's popular today focuses not on any sort of artistic quality, but just on volume.

OK, you're right, there is a lot of good music outside Europe. African music is excellent in its own right, even if it degenerated badly on being transplanted to America. Indian music too, but still, I like my Beethoven, Mussorgsky, Dvorak, and Strauss.

By who's definition? Rap has rhythm, nobody says you have to like it. It is actually comparable with some of the oldest forms of music. Distortion can produce some interesting effects that are very much in the musical tradition. It is not done, just by cranking up the volume. Some of the simplest and earliest instrument where drone instruments. Drones came first then the concept of notes.

There is music and there is noise.

ruveyn

Maybe it's the post-modernist in me speaking, but I do not recognize a strict dichotomy between the two.