Do you consider Islam a threat?

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Yes, but only the fundamentalists. I consider the fundamentalists of any religion to be a threat, and that should have been an option in your poll.

@ Titus : My hat off to you sir, i couldn't have said it better. <.< (well, maybe correct that irreductible* typo you made )

@ Alba : Yeah, i agree. =/

They should make a deal...... The KKK will uncover their faces if Islamic women will uncover theirs



awww....

I'm soooooo concerned that they don't like me(sarcastic laugh.) I can hardly blame them, since I would repatriate all Muslims in a heartbeat if I could. It would behoove them to stop calling for Jihad and blowing up stuff if they want people to stop being wary of them. Do they really think that they will come here and white people will give them a backrub like their sellout politicians do? They can't seriously expect us to actually give a **** if they are coddled enough.



What the Muslims are doing is no better than an outright armed invasion. It is the natural resistance of a native people to an attempted foreign conquest. We have every right to be "intolerant" of these outsiders. "Tolerance" is just a PC code word that means, "You have to sit by and take it while your culture gets destroyed.



I'm not eating it.......... And I've heard it all before. Sure, we have our hardcore southern Baptists and Mormons who call for a moral revival(which I support,) but even the most reactioinary of those groups only advocate separation(which I advocate,) as opposed to terrorism. And no, the Waco incident was not terrrorism. Whatever Christian fundamentalism is fighting back against "big government" or is a supposed fringe "threat" is hardly as lethal as the Jihadists. The liberals can't really expect that whites will just sit back and take it while they force Islamic/minority culture on us. The fact is that the Muslims have no right to be in our countries, and big government won't force their diversity agenda on us.

The far-right can't rise fast enough for me.

I don't support forced proselytzing of Muslims......... I would rather they just left, even if they did become Christian. We don't need "new" Americans. They can never be Americans anyway.... just Muslims living in America. I am an Islolationist and I don't support Bush-style capitalism of Neo-Colonial adventures. All we are saying is that we just want separation and we don't want this New Age lascivious and multicultural lifesytle forced upon us. We have no desire to control other parts of the world or immigrate there.



Blame the Republican party, which puts on a smoke-and-mirrors act for white voters in which they pretend to be against immigration. Then, around election time, they go and traitorously suck-face with Latino groups to win their swing votes, and make all sorts of backstabbing concessions to them. The corporate fat-cats who control the GOP send our industries to Mexico or bring in thousands of their immigrant wage-slaves while we look the other way. The GOP leaders tell white voters what they want to hear, but in the end, it is all about the money and they bring in the immigrants anyway. The Bush and Reagan administrations were actually the worst times for Mexicans coming in.

The Democrats, at least, are honest about their policies and declare outright for immigrants, minorities, and basically anyone who is different, goes against the silent majority, or is part of the Rainbow Coalition. If you vote Democrat, you know without a doubt you are getting more Multiculti, more diversity, more big goverment, more minority power, more whatever....... The Republicans are the ones you are talking about(and I vote Republican, but half-heartedly,) who were out there prodigally blowing money on wasteful foreign aid adventures, promoting rampant multiculturalism, and Contrary to what you believe, I am hardly an enthusiastic Republican.

I am an isolationist and a separationist.



My goal is to destroy the service and mega-corporate economic structure that fosters multiculturalism and globalism and return us to an agrarian state. The foreigners are not my neighbors or my countrymen or whatever and they never will be. I am not in their same boat. I don't care if our bloated service societies are functioning or are politically stable. Better just that they be destroyed. Maintaining our current infrastructure is destroying mankind and the environment.

I would like to impliment a version of the Morgenthau plan on the USA in which we completely de-globalize and for the most part de-industrialize. It is the only way to stop global warming and the environmental catastrophe that is rapidly approaching. We will just have to give up McDonalds and Old Navy and our materialism. We have to adopt a self-sufficent national lifestyle and tread lightly on the earth.

Working a minimum-wage job in the service economy is the most degrading occupation imaginable for anyone. The service economy fosters poverty and humiliation much more so than any other type of economy would.

quick couple of points:

a) Think I misused the term 'proselytise', I was looking for soemthing like 'pontificate' but never mind, still sort of carries the sense but not very well.

b) can't remember the last time a western government coddled an islamic fundamentalist....

c)armed invasion? once again they haven't the political, economic or military strength. Resorting to terrorism is the act of a nihilist incapable of actually changing anything. Terrorism is ultimately a sign of political and ideological impotence. Even a cursory examination of histoy will show you are mistaken to an absurd degree. A successful colonial act requires the economic, military and political support of a strong parent country; name three muslim countries that aren't one of a US protectorate, a neutral or friendly state of negligible strength or collapsing internally. However, you are correct in that immigration drives down wages and living standards for all, except I'm a Marxist and propose unity with to overthrow as opposed to throwing back into the sea.

d) Hello Pol-Pot. Back to the land, huh? Course that didn't end badly. In the UK there was a valley in the midlands which was quite heavily polluted by economic activiity in a nearby town. A massive effort was made to clean up their act to save what was a beautiful valley, however fairly soon a lot of the flora and fauna started to leave or die in droves. The ecology had adapted to the conditions and was not prepared for the sudden change. My point being we have no idea what a sudden drop of carbon output would do, it could be an extinction level event for us. That's not to say I like global warming, just not as simple as you seem to think.

edit:sorry phil777, my spelling is usually much better but i am being kinda lazy

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The traditional brand of Islam is a threat. The brand that believes state imposed sharia law is the ideal socio-political structure for every society. Unfortunately a significant percentage of Muslims world wide do believe in these ideals. These people are dangerous.

I'm a left-leaning liberal as far as my politics go so nobody can lump me in with right-wing reactionaries. I don't believe cultural/ethnic diversity in general is a threat to anyone. It's specific anti-liberal ideals that certain religiously dominated cultures tend to promote that's the problem.

Realistically though, global laissez-faire corporatism is a much likelier threat to civil liberties world wide than Islam.

I didn't say it was an armed invasion or an organized attempt to colonize..... It is only like an armed invasion. You are right...... They don't have the strength to invade by force of arms, so they do the next best thing and try and flood us with millions of boat people. I agreed with you that terrorism is a display of weakness as opposed to strength. I'm more concerned about the millions of Muslim and other minorities outbreeding and eventually exterminating the native populations.



You just misunderstood me. What I said was "no better than an armed invasion." This massive immigration is not being planned by a country like Algeria or is not the result of any great conspiracy.



Uh.... okay. I am not Pol-Pot. I find your concept of "unity" to be repugnant. Marxism is a joke.

I don't see how anything I said could possibly be more ridiculous than wanting to overthrow a Republican form of government and establishing Anarchy or a Communistic state. You know that Communism doesn't work. Even so, who wants to be chained together breaking rocks or pulling a barge with people like Henrikkson or Phil or whatever like they used to do in the former Soviet Bloc? I'll be damned if I ever call any ot those people "brother" or "comrade" or whatever.

We'll make a damn fine rock-breaking team, comrade!

Oh....PHLLEEEEZZZE.

I was put out over the whole 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections because a lot of Christians (righteously upset over 8 years of shameful scandals by the Clinton administration) threw their lot behind someone who claimed to be a Christian but repeatedly demonstrated by his actions that he was not.

The "Religious Right" is often seen as a powerful political group, and that is true in the terms of votes in the ballot box, but as an an institution with political clout, it does not exist. They have no ability to make or shape public policy unless people in office are seeking their vote, and even then, EVERY TIME what happens is that they are promised anything they want and after the elections are over, the politicians go back to doing what they've always done...serving the masters to FUNDED their elections (never the religious people in America).

I know many pastors who repeatedly teach not to trust politicians or the political process to do anything good for the nation. They are liars who will say anything to get votes.

It's sad that so many "religious" people in America still have not waken up to this sad truth.

I know most of my views come from WAAAYYYY out in right-field, relative to the consensus. Despite that, I can't respect someone's views that advocate any sort of socialism or communism. A communist society will inevitably implode when enough workers get disgruntled with receiving the same pittance as non-workers or those contributing less productivity as themselves. A supposedly "Communist" country can really only stay afloat by implementing Capitalist policies from time to time(see Lenin's New Economic Policy.) It doesn't take long before the citizens working hard get irritated that the slouches are getting the same pay that they are, and then they just stop working themselves. There was a saying in the Soviet-Union in the 80's that went, "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us." Even socialist experiments in America such as the Fruitlands collapsed for the most part when their residents grew tired of working to feed the indolent.

And advocating Anarchy is even more ridiculous. Even if you had a completely Anarchaic state, it would merely become a vacuum for stronger people or groups to quickly reestablish control over weaker people. You would have chaos for a few years, but then out of that anarchy, you would get a primitive form of the Feudal system and eventually some form of dictatorship.

I can't find it, because the book was over 1000 pages, but there was a quote in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged describing a politician in a new Communistic state that went something like, "He spent 30 years describing his new political and economic theories, then, when his theories were implemented as policy, he promptly fled the country."

I would not want to live in a communal society in the first place, where I had to be friends and brothers with all sorts of minorities. But really, who wants to work on a Co-op? No one wants to go stand around in long lines for bread and dart their eyes about nervously.



The Muslims will blow things up. Blacks will riot. Christians will hold and "informational picket."
The government is so scared of minority violence that they do everything for them. Besides that, the Religious Right is the base of the Republican party, and they can count on our sure votes no matter what they do otherwise, and there is no chance that we will ever vote Democrat. As their sure votes, it doesn't matter what they say or do to us, as they go out and prostate themselves before all the minority groups at election time and make last-minute, backhanded promises.



The Clinton adminstration was disgusting. I'm no fan of the Bush Adminstration either, and I actually voted for Kerry in 2004 because I felt that 4 more years of Bush would be a disaster(which they were,) and lead to the election of an ultra-liberal, pro-minority, Obama-style Democratic regime. Kerry could at least be digested.

I feel that the Religious Right needs to become the swing voter bloc in this country, that way both parties have to cater to us at election time instead of to the Latinos. We have to stop being surefire GOP voters.



Because the government is working for minorites and the "rainbow coalition,"............ And definitely not for you. If you are a white-male, the government cares about you or will give you diddly-squat. 85% of job losses in the recent recession were jobs held by white-males. The government couldn't care less about us, but surely the minorites will get all of their Sec-8 housing and "diversity Education" nonetheless. If you are a white male, the government wants to take 1/3 of your paycheck and give it to a minority in some shape or form. All the government is now is a means to transfer wealth and power from whites to minorities.

If you are a white male going to school, you have to sit there through Black History month, Latino History month, diversity day, and whatever; but screw you to ask for your month or any sort of help when it comes to actually paying for school. You open a history book, and it is festooned with nothing but ridiculous patterened references to how every cowboy's black cook singlehandedly built America or every minority was some sort of genius being held back by white oppression. And he sees that white Americans were responsible for nothing but the slave trade and the Holocaust and other sorts of horrors, and contributed only marginal efforts to building this country, while it was really the minorities that got it done. His own history and culture gets marginalized for the sake of this new diversity agenda. Then, he gets assaulted by a minority gang on the way home from school when he won't buy their drugs. He has to see their gangster punks dating white girls.

Later on in life, he goes to apply for a job, but whoopsie, the less-qualified minority got it instead. Any white man can be assured that a minority will find employment long before they will in this world. Then, the government pays their rent through the Sec-8 program, and covers their health with Medicaid, all while you have to pay 1000$ per month for your rent and go without health coverage if you can't find a good enough job. This government is built and is working to service minority needs. The government takes your tax dollars and pays for them to move into your neighborhood.

Stephen Douglas once said, "This country was built by white men, for the benefit of white men." Well now, this country was built by white men for the benefit of minorities. We gave up or perrogatives so that they might prosper, and yet they are still ungrateful.

If you have ever seen those new posters they have in schools, posters that show an incredibly diverse collection of people with some nauseating title like "We are all Americans." These posters show a motley collection of every culture under the sun; Black, Brown, Gay, Effeminate, whatever. They all just stand there, smiling. And of course it shows the lone white man wearing a cook's outfit or some other uniform that indicates he works at some degrading, menial service job, while the black woman is in a smart suit or is wearing an engineering outfit. It is an agenda and purposeful program that is out to indoctrinate feelings of inferiority in whites, or feelings that minorities are superior to them. It is designed to create a mindset that minorites should be the ones in charge, and white people should be the bottom feeders.

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-sigh- poor Brusilov, should i point out that our local popular bank /fund called Desjardins here in Quebec didn't lose anything during that recession but even made profits? Not everyone sees coops so badly as you do -.- There's even a program here where people can rent a car if they're part of the group, and it's really cheap... Sure beats paying for a new char overall. And i rather like coops, because unlike the big corporations, everyone gets to speak up (if they do, that's their problem) and is treated fairly, do you see them having a need for a union? <.< Nope.

Oh and huh, i reckon Raoul Castro said something about communism recently : "Communism isn't about equal wages, it's about equal chances" (probably an equal shot at getting those wages).

Its not about how you start............ Its how you finish.



No doubt....... Fat-cat bankers.

Maybe you should go document yourself a bit more before spouting spontaneous nonsense Brusilov -.- . It hasn't even been 10 minutes since my last post and yet you're not even trying to intelligently destroy it.

?????????????

U didn't even state anything halfway meaningful. There was nothing intelligent to destroy in the first place.

The struggle builds our muscle and character, and the work makes us free!

well said phil777

and brusilov, I think you just spent a whole lot of time in a post demonstrating your complete ignorance of marxism. I cannot be bothered contradicting your inability to actually educate yourself as opposed to swallowing what is spoon fed you. (NEP? I spent a whole lot of time setting Orwell straight on the NEP a few weeks ago, and he's studying history.)

And you contradict yourself on "armed invasions";

Also, where are those millions? Are they queued up at Ellis island or somewhere? That's going to seriously mess with the next census the US takes!

@ monty

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