Was Hitler trying to breed a race of super aspies?

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07 Aug 2009, 12:46 pm

Henriksson wrote:

Mein Kampf was published in 1925.

Asperger's Syndrome was discovered in 1944.

Next conspiracy theory, please...

How does that negate this theory?

Was there an increase in brain abnormalities within the German population after WWII?

Yes.

Tuberous sclerosis, huntington's disease, rise in autism...

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07 Aug 2009, 12:57 pm

Magnus wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

Mein Kampf was published in 1925.

Asperger's Syndrome was discovered in 1944.

Next conspiracy theory, please...

How does that negate this theory?

Er, Hitler couldn't possibly aspire to 'breed a race of super aspies', whatever that means, if he didn't even know what it was.

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07 Aug 2009, 1:08 pm

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...This is exceptional, even for some of your posts, Yupa. You make grotesque comments and stereotypes, resting on inaccurate assumptions and outright leaps of illogic...

I think that's the whole point, makuranososhi. You've obviously an underdeveloped sense of humour.

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07 Aug 2009, 1:13 pm

ascan wrote:

makuranososhi wrote:

...This is exceptional, even for some of your posts, Yupa. You make grotesque comments and stereotypes, resting on inaccurate assumptions and outright leaps of illogic...

I think that's the whole point, makuranososhi. You've obviously an underdeveloped sense of humour.

I find nothing amusing about Yupa's post. What is the joke, exactly?

EDIT: I mean, a joke about Hitler and Nazi Germany would be more along the lines of this AAR, FFS.

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07 Aug 2009, 1:21 pm

Magnus wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

Mein Kampf was published in 1925.

Asperger's Syndrome was discovered in 1944.

Next conspiracy theory, please...

How does that negate this theory?

Was there an increase in brain abnormalities within the German population after WWII?

Yes.

Tuberous sclerosis, huntington's disease, rise in autism...

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Many Tuberous sclerosis patients show evidence of the disorder in the first year of life. However, clinical features can be subtle initially, and many signs and symptoms take years to develop. As a result, TSC can be unrecognized or misdiagnosed for years.

In other words, not recognized until adulthood. The teen years at least. Not linked to any ethnic group either, particularly Germans.

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Huntington's disease progresses without remission over 10 to 25 years and patients ultimately are unable to care for themselves. Huntington's disease usually appears in middle age (30-50 years), but can develop in younger and older people.

Teens and Adults only. Note the development time.

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Leo Kanner published his first paper identifying autistic children in 1943, asserting he had noticed such children since 1938

Rise in autism... from.. zero? Nowhere to go but up I guess.

Something about Leo Kanner...

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He became Director of Child Psychiatry at The Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1930.

So the Nazis were making Autistic German children prior to 1938 in.... Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland, United States of America?

Come on Magnus. You can do better than that! I know you can!

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07 Aug 2009, 1:21 pm

Henriksson wrote:

I find nothing amusing about Yupa's post. What is the joke, exactly?

It's obviously a parody of a certain opinion seen here, Henriksson. I thought it was quite a good post.

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07 Aug 2009, 1:26 pm

Why do you think Hitler wanted an aspie race, Hitler gassed people who were mentally ill

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07 Aug 2009, 2:25 pm

ascan wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

I find nothing amusing about Yupa's post. What is the joke, exactly?

It's obviously a parody of a certain opinion seen here, Henriksson. I thought it was quite a good post.

What is it about the post that indicates parody or irony?

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07 Aug 2009, 2:46 pm

Henriksson wrote:

What is it about the post that indicates parody or irony?

How extreme it is, how completely devoid of sense it is. The way he links phrases like 'as we all know' & 'it is very possible' to statements that are simply absurd & ludicrous. I don't think it really counts as a parody though, more likely it's a simple case of trolling.

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07 Aug 2009, 2:50 pm

Henriksson wrote:

ascan wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

I find nothing amusing about Yupa's post. What is the joke, exactly?

It's obviously a parody of a certain opinion seen here, Henriksson. I thought it was quite a good post.

What is it about the post that indicates parody or irony?

Makuranososhi put it rather succinctly:

Makuranososhi wrote:

You make grotesque comments and stereotypes, resting on inaccurate assumptions and outright leaps of illogic...

In addition, Yupa's post just goes that little bit too far for the reader to actually believe he's serious. For example:

Yupa wrote:

...it is possible that their newer genetic traits and the caucasian's European environment (which requires a person to stay indoors most if not all of the year) would have seen a more obvious emergence of aspie traits...

This is a parody of an argument that's been used here in threads on race and genetics.

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07 Aug 2009, 5:30 pm

Glad someone paid attention to the dates. By the time AS had been diagnosed, Hitler was too busy trying to survive the Russian onslaught (good luck with that, Schicklegruber... to worry about AS.

The Nazis did have a Eugenics program, and were trying to create a superior physical and mental Aryan superman (super duper supermen! - Spike Jones). Eugenics was about as reliable a science as Phrenology and Astrology... They measured everything, hoping they could determine physical explanations for mental.

In their defense, Lysenko sold Stalin on the idea that if you soaked grain seeds in ice-cold water, it would grown in cold climates (he actually survived that, too...

But the Germans were trying to breed, in a Mendelian way, super people. Any 'untermenschen' would have been destroyed, if they'd won.

They distrusted 'Non-German' science, so they might not have accepted AS diagnoses for years.

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08 Aug 2009, 5:49 am

I met one of Hans Asperger's 'little professors' on a forum about a year ago. I mentioned I have Asperger's Syndrome in of these threads, and he introduced himself as one of them. One of the greatest intellectuals I've met, no doubt.

Oddly enough, he never mentioned this 'super aspie' theory.

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08 Aug 2009, 6:07 am

Henriksson wrote:

Mein Kampf was published in 1925.

Asperger's Syndrome was discovered in 1944.

Next conspiracy theory, please...

Precisely. But to take this even further, Asperger probably 'invented' Asperger's Syndrome precisely because of the Nazi eugenics program. Asperger had to diagnose the children under his care, if he diagnoses Autism then they will most likely be gassed, if he doesn't diagnose Autism to clearly Autistic children then people are going to start asking questions, putting himself in danger. So instead, he claimed these children were not Autistic, a genetic/hereditable problem, but had something different, a personality disorder which was not genetic/hereditable and allowed him to emphasis the children's positive aspects (little professors), making them exempt from the eugenics program.

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08 Aug 2009, 12:26 pm

Henriksson wrote:

By saying this you were implying that I said Hitler was consciously trying to breed a race of "super aspies", which I never stated in this thread. I believe I already stated that the eugenics program may have recognized aspie traits as characteristic of the Aryan without actually attaching the name Asperger's (which as you point out had not been coined until near the end of World War II).
Therefore, you were either intentionally misreading the content of this thread or simply missed the point.

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08 Aug 2009, 12:45 pm

Yupa wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

Aspie traits have nothing in common with Hitler's Aryans.

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08 Aug 2009, 2:33 pm

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daydreamer84 wrote:

That's right. I'm glad somebody finally brought this up!

It was this phrase that got me steamed:

Yupa wrote:

"It is easily possible that the traits Hitler saw in the ideal Aryan were the traits of an Aspie. Contrast these with the stereotypical Jewish traits that the Nazis sought to root out in humanity: greed and deception, both of which are typically uncharacteristic of the ever honest Aspie."

Let me get this straight: you honestly believe that the "Aryan" concept was promoted not as a justification for genocide, but as an vehicle to promote AS traits? And you honestly believe that the stereotype of the "greedy, lying Jew" was not racist, murderous propaganda, but rather an honest reflection on the supremacy of white Northern Europeans over... everyone else?

I think you're in the wrong room, this is Aspie Pride, not Aspie Neo-Nazism.

Yes exactly, it is so sad to see that kind of ignorance and racism!

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