On the release of the lockerbie bomber

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I agree that he probably shouldn't have gone home short of being completely proven innocent but I think the problem is we're simply going from one extreme of simply just sitting around to simply being free or indefinitely imprisoned or killed....all these extremes. I think my method would prove quite useful especially in cases such as this.

Hmm... your country's financed by the Chinese, and has to import oil from Russia, Libya, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, to name but the least desireable of your sources. I guess you should have been advising your government the last few decades, ruveyn.

There was no jury... just judges under pressure... the judges admitted that the case against him was flimsy... it's in the judgment. Now we are hearing of a 1999 deal with the U.S. - that said that if one of the two suspects were found guilty, they must remain in Scottish prison. I wonder if that deal included the demand that one of the suspects be found guilty, so that the official story stands, the story used to persuade countries to blockade Libya for years and to extort a massive cash settlement from it... sort of like armed robbery, wouldn't you think. A not guilty verdict would have made an international mockery of America and exposed it as having robbed Libya blind.

The flimsy case against Megrahi has collapsed entirely recently. Tony Gauci, key witness, has been exposed as a bribed perjurer. Evidence that further put doubt on the prosecution theory was deliberately hidden. An appeal had been filed. Many experts believe that it would have been successful, as even the failure of the first appeal was greeted with incredulity and calls that it was a miscarriage of justice, this one, in the light of new evidence, in the light of better relations between Britain and Libya, would have made a total mockery of Scottish justice, whilst threatening these improving relations. Megrahi, however, was not going to survive the success of the appeal so he dropped it because under Scottish law, people cannot be released on compassionate grounds whilst judicial proceedings are still pending in their case.

I should have been. That is what happens when socialists, and liberal pinko stinko commie sympathizers get into power.

ruveyn

I've heard G.W.Bush called many things but never a liberal pinko stinko communist before. I suppose its a good way to judge your general judgmental abilities.

You can boycott America all you like. The difference between us and your pathetic nations is we create wealth from within and give it to other nations in exchange for goods, making them richer in the process. Boycott us if you like, but the laws of unintended consequences will be financially detrimental to you more than us.

GWB signed the largest prescription drug bill for senior citizens; in many people's eyes, that's quite a socialist/communist move to do.

Me, I just think it's kinda dumb because he didn't look to increase revenue and didn't consider the obvious fact that the babyboomers are about to retire and will basically destroy the whole system in the process. Or maybe that was part of his plan to destroy the whole system and move everything to privatized....except I can't see how bankrupting the whole government would help much other than to place much of the control in the hands of the banking systems who have since been handling the debt and essentially setting interest rates as how they want (banks get the money for basically free and the citizens end up paying enormous interest rates on the same money).


But yeah....GWB is a pinko who shelled out government money for free to a whole bunch of people....just it wasn't in anything of an effective manner that helped the country generate a higher GDP and only instead mired us much deeper into debt.

Blame George H. W. Bush for the destruction of Flight 103. Following the destruction of Iran Air Flight 655 by the USS Vincennes, he proclaimed "I’ll never apologize…I don’t care what the facts are." Khomeini said that the sky would rain with blood. Khomeini was not someone with which to fool. The Americans should have either begged for mercy for having shot down that plane and punished the people responsible (instead of giving them medals), or I suppose the neocons would have preferred had they told Iran, "Don't even think of retaliating for that". Instead, Bush acted like an idiot.

It's funny how the truth about Flight 103 offends people. Many people are in total denial about the fact that Libya did not do it. The chief prosecutor in the case admitted that the key witness was "one apple short of a picnic" and it is known that he was bribed $2 million to testify against the Libyans. Some people plug their ears and close their eyes to such inconvenient facts and say "I don't hear you ! I don't year you!" and then they go on about the evil of Qaddafi and how it's right to block his setting up his tent on Libyan property in New Jersey.

No one likes to hear "you deserved it" when innocent people died who had no part in the kind of dealings that result in this. 9/11 is a good example: technically speaking, if you look at all the dealings we've done and how they effect people in the middle east and effect their bottom dollar: the US, as a whole country/entity, deserved it. Did the people who died deserve it? Nope...ignorance shouldn't be punished by death or mutilation.

The problem is that there is no real clearing house of all facts and all sides of a discussion. There's no real news, just what the corporations here want you to hear. Libya being the enemy was very convenient to many political and business deals. Us keeping Iran down is convenient to our business deals. Neither is especially convenient to the public at large in most cases but the public doesn't know that. They only know the kind of kindergarten style good-guy/bad-guy simplified motif that our media tells us exists in the world.

Good-guy/bad-guy almost NEVER exists. Hitler is the one exception; but even there my better judgment makes me think otherwise at times with the basic fact that the winners write the history books and antisemitism is an excellent strawman to silence any kind of dissent against the Zionist/Israeli agenda. Sometimes strikes me as too effective of a strawman in preventing any kind of legitimate discussion on the matter.

It was clumsy. Really, they should have either apologised or told Khomeini not to think of retaliating, or perhaps both... instead Bush just decided to beat his chest and go "I'm not apologising!"...

Again, Khomeini was not one to be trifled with.

Some of course who accept that the Libyans didn't do it will blame Palestinians because the evidence shows that Khomeini farmed the operation, through the Syrians, out to the PFLP-GC. These were hired guns and these were the foremost military technical specialists of the Palestinian resistance movements... that's what they did, they had no real popular support or mass base. Their specialty was carrying out operations of different types, including the famous hang-glider attack in Israel in the late '80s.

You left out Stalin and Pol Pot. They were just plain evil.

ruveyn

Pol Pot was so mild-mannered and soft-spoken. He said something like, "I never really thought of myself as a leader."

Stalin had a bunch of Communists shot in the late 1930s.

He was responsible for the deaths of seven million Kulaks. Learn some history.

ruveyn

You know I don't think it's quite the "fundamentalist stance on Christianity" as most people in America are only Christian nominally and don't care. I think the real issue is that women have rights(such as being "allowed" to dress how they like and ::gasp:: not having their clitorises removed) and that we've been one of Israel's best allies since the reassembly of Israel.

Sand, this is an Asperger's site, and if there's one thing I've noticed, it is that we all tend to not read things completely or don't bother to figure it out before we reply. Often we catch a key word or phrase and go off on a research paper sized tangent... with the general effect of talking over each other and not listening.

The figure is disputed and ranges anywhere from 700k to 60mil.