My Brother is calling me a racist for being Anti Zionist

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Yes. And it is irridentist to the core. One the other hand it was European anti-Semitism that gave credence to Hertzel's idea that Jews should have a country of their own to be safe in. Hertzel was present in France during the Dreyfus Affair when anti-Semitism was running riot in France. He saw that Jews did not have a bright future in Europe so they should have their own State. Hertzel's notion was a burgoise State, der JudenStadt, formulated along fairly liberal democratic and republican lines. Later on a more radical strain of Zionists from Eastern Europe joined forces with Hertzel.

Had European gentiles not been so anti-Semitic, the idea of Zionism would not have caught on. The Orthodox Jews were initially against the idea and if conditions were not bad for Jews, the burgoise assimilated Jews would have thought the idea impractical and not supported it.

ruveyn

And yet it still fell apart into the kind of xenophobic, violent nationalism that always comes from such an ethnocentric nationalist viewpoint. They (they being Israel) organize boycotts against any individual or their business who dares to speak out against the violence, they shout down public criticism as antisemitism (and rely far too heavily on this strawman alone to defend their actions), and they constantly claim to be the victim and simply retaliating when the reality is that they're the aggressor most of the time.

Israel = fail

The saddest part being that the people who reside there and are forced by no choice of their own to be a party to this whole mess with suffer the most when everything comes crashing down.

There are many taboos about Jews...

You can't suggest that they get better treatment in the media - the facts be damned.
You can't suggest that they have disproportionate power - the facts be damned.
You can't talk about Jewish crimes - it's blood libel.
There are so many things you cannot say about Jews that it creates these blind spots that I think some of them exploit to increase their power.

Naturally, this hyper-sensitivity extends to the subject of Israel and the rest of society allows them to dictate how this subject is treated.

Those who say that there's an Israel lobby even are tarred as anti-Semites... and meanwhile these people brag among themselves of their power and how they're pulling the wool over people's eyes, and people are not allowed to call them on it.

When you are able to shut people up about what you're doing you have major power.

I remember this documentary on the CBC about the way they cover the Middle East. They showed footage that never made it on the news because it showed the terrible things Israel was doing. You saw decision makers say the same thing all over again about showing such footage. "We don't need that, we don't need that" - "that" being the complaints and pressure of the Zionist lobbies condemning them for reporting the terrible things Israel is doing. They appeared to be succumbing to severe bullying. I was surprised they were able to air that!

I think that there's fear of growing resentment leading to real anti-Semitism of the classic type... I think that many Jewish leaders believe that if they stop putting on the pressure, the facts of their bullying and dirty tricks will lead to real hatred of Jews out there - thus they must maintain the pressure at all costs to avoid this, for self-defence. I think that there's a lot more resentment out there already... I think that these leaders also think that if people are allowed to express resentment, then others may say, "So, it is not only me who thinks this way"... thus people who express anything must be shut down quickly so that few people hear what they have to say.

This is a sort of keeping the water behind the dam effect but the pressure grows and grows as these people must lie and use more dirty tricks to "protect themselves"...

I've been horrified by some of what I have heard from some people - like the whole "Hitler didn't get enough of them" talk ... "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive."

It seems more like Hitler was trying to make the genocide out to be the responsibility of the old European Jewish Banking houses. At least from what he wrote about it all. He kept trying to say a kind of "you're making me do this"...except those kinds of families and that kind of money doesn't see race or kinship with any other humans...which is how they're able to take so much money for themselves, because they're that greedy and selfish. Nothing to do with race, everything to do with power and money. Hitler was an idiot and a crappy artist.

The real villains as far as Hitler and his casual supporters were concerned got away easily... it was the little people who ended up being murdered.

There was another issue concerning the whole nativism vs cosmopolitanism debate and Hitler and his type saw Jews as pushing the cosmopolitan side which he considered to be a danger for Germany - and many nativists in many countries feel the same way about cosmopolitans and those predisposed to that which would include minorities who live in many different countries as Jews do... this talk of diluting the culture and all that.

The Ku Klux Klan attacked Jews for being supportive of civil rights because they claimed that civil rights was diluting the culture and weakening the nation... dis-empowering the white Protestants who supposedly lead American culture whilst strengthening resentful black people who are mad at having been enslaved...and socialism and communism were transnational cosmopolitan type ideologies and again Hitler identified Jews with socialism and communism, said that they led these movements that weakened Germany, he said, and got Germany to end World War I prematurely. Now, there's a little-known fact here concerning this "stab in the back" theory. That is, Lord Rothschild made a deal with Balfour which led to the establishment of the Zionist territory...

Rothschild promised to do all he could to influence the war in Britain's favour. This is usually said to mean the Americans but it isn't a stretch to say the he would try to get German Jews to switch sides... I don't think that they did, but as socialists and communists already wanted to end the war and these had disproportionate Jewish membership - it's the while nativist-cosmopolitan debate.

Things like the deal with Balfour led to people to question the loyalty of cosmopolitan-inclined transnational minorities such as Jews. As a result, one can imagine, Jews try to do all possible to defend themselves from charges of disloyalty... this is something that still hasn't been sorted out, though it's true that the cosmopolitan side, particularly through globalisation, is ahead.

From the Jewish perspective, one cannot discount the factor that fear has in this whole situation...

The basic misconception of Zionism is that any persecuted minority (and there is no doubt that the Jews have been a persecuted minority) can find safety in isolating themselves from the rest of the world behind a walled enclave in the middle of a world filled with aggressive danger. They cannot, even with atomic bombs. The alternative is to disperse throughout the world and create a general benign attitude towards peaceful minorities, a much tougher and long term project but much better for the world in general. There is also the unfortunate inclination of minorities to try to reverse the general concept to declare themselves superior to the public in general. This demon appears frequently here in the AS community and it is extant in the Jewish community out of their exceptional attainments in intellectual accomplishments by a small number of their members and the Biblical proclamation of a "chosen" people. Naturally this engenders powerful negative reactions and only makes the situation worse.

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According to the book "The Grandees: America's Sephardic Elite" by Stephen Birmingham (an expert on Jewish history) the Rockefellers are Sephardic Jews.

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No image.

Then I guess the one showing for me is just cache. Frownstown.

Image = cherries.

When did any Rockefeller darken the doorway of a synagogue? Were the Rockefellers even circumcised? Did they ever behave like Jews? If so, when, where and how?

ruveyn

......That's just a tad bit racist.

Jews and Palestinians are both technically "Semites" which makes the term "Anti-Semite" pretty silly.

In Africa the Hootoos and the Tootsies chopped each other to pieces. Should I care?

Why should I care if one African tribe chops another up?

I am sick and tired of having the "middle east crisis" shoved in my face every day since I have been born.

I don't give a damn. Better you should all kill each other!

It's kind of strange but they both look so physically different.

I always thought jews to be both a mix of "semites" and "europeans" which might not make sense here in terms of ethnicity or ract but you do see some physical differences...

Now where's Magnus when I need her.....

The term anti-semite was coined by the German write Wilhelm Marr as a less crude substitute for Jew-Hater. It was intended by the man who coined it as eupimism for Jew Hatred. In that context, the term semite was not used nor intended in the general sense

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

ruveyn

Therefor Christians and Muslims are from Aldebaran, Jews are from Marrs.