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What is hell?
Fire and brimstone 55%  55%  [ 11 ]
Simply an absence of God 45%  45%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 20

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14 Sep 2009, 10:41 am

I voted fire and brimstone. It just seems more exciting.

Also, when I get around to starting my own religion, I think that I will get more donations if I scare everyone with fire and brimstone. If I just tell people that it is "an absence of God", people are going to respond "Yeah? So what?" And then I will get fewer donations.



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14 Sep 2009, 10:57 am

pandabear wrote:
I voted fire and brimstone. It just seems more exciting.

Also, when I get around to starting my own religion, I think that I will get more donations if I scare everyone with fire and brimstone. If I just tell people that it is "an absence of God", people are going to respond "Yeah? So what?" And then I will get fewer donations.


Naah. It's just lack of imagination. Dante had a go at it with his circuses so it's about time more modern versions were invented. How about being stuck in a video game with teen agers shooting at you and you're the monster.



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14 Sep 2009, 11:02 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
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No, hell is neither, but rather God's extreme presence. (messing around, I think this is an Eastern Orthodox position though)

Look, I don't really know what to say.


Strange. Some posters here describe Hell as the total absence of God.

I know, but the rebuttal is that God is sometimes described as everywhere. This can be taken as including hell as well. The reason why this ends up being hell-ish, is because God's pure presence is argued as being painful for the unrepentant.

I just stated this because this kind of question has very little I can say about it.
Actually... that's a really good summation of a valid Christian position. If you hate God with a passion, but there's nowhere you can go to escape Him, and if God is a consuming fire, and an unbending light, then you're really not going to like eternity much if you're not right with Him.



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14 Sep 2009, 11:57 am

I'll tell you when I get there :twisted:


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14 Sep 2009, 12:01 pm

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I'll tell you when I get there :twisted:


Great if you can find a way. People have been listening for centuries for reliable reports and all that has appeared are poetic fantasies about how the author visualized his enemies would suffer.



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14 Sep 2009, 12:15 pm

Hell is a fictional concept invented to scare people into believing religions. Remember, you're free to disbelieve, but the God (who loves you) will torture you forever if you do. Make your choice.



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14 Sep 2009, 12:28 pm

Hell is a place where you have to struggle every day to avoid terrible hunger and thirst, where you spend years doing stupid useless things to gain what is promised to be happiness but it is a fraud, it is a place where demons who lie and cheat you constantly trick you into situations where you are tortured if you defy them. And at the end of this terrible time you will be utterly destroyed no matter what you believe or how you behave and the destructing will be by being eaten by microbic monsters or your own flesh will turn against you and grow into horrible bleeding stinking shapes and this will be insanely painful and nobody will help you.

Hmmm. That's where I am now.



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14 Sep 2009, 1:50 pm

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you're free to disbelieve, but the God (who loves you) will torture you forever if you do. Make your choice.

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14 Sep 2009, 2:09 pm

Wouldn't Christians prefer to imagine their enemies suffering everlasting torment, rather than just being separated from God's love, in some sort of pleasant resort?



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14 Sep 2009, 3:19 pm

Sand wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I voted fire and brimstone. It just seems more exciting.

Also, when I get around to starting my own religion, I think that I will get more donations if I scare everyone with fire and brimstone. If I just tell people that it is "an absence of God", people are going to respond "Yeah? So what?" And then I will get fewer donations.


Naah. It's just lack of imagination. Dante had a go at it with his circuses so it's about time more modern versions were invented. How about being stuck in a video game with teen agers shooting at you and you're the monster.


Sand: Where am I? What is this place?
H4X0R [=WTF=]: lol n00b
Sand has been killed by T67Y [Voss-LAR]
*Sand respawns*
Sand: That was a horrible experience, and not particularly funny.
PlayerDEATH: STFU lol
Sand: I see a jet plane. That might come in handy in this game.
Sand has been killed by PlayerDEATH [Teamkill]
Sand: Oh, for crying out loud...

Rince and repeat, for the rest of eternity. :twisted:


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14 Sep 2009, 4:37 pm

pandabear wrote:
Wouldn't Christians prefer to imagine their enemies suffering everlasting torment, rather than just being separated from God's love, in some sort of pleasant resort?

It depends on the Christian. Historically some have. Historically some haven't.

"separated from God's love", however, is not considered a pleasant thing, as this separation is also supposed to be agonizing as well. The issue is that one claim is God removing something, the other is God actively doing something, so a difference that seems ethically important can be made. Most people would probably think that this distinction isn't *that* ethically important though.



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14 Sep 2009, 7:17 pm

pandabear wrote:
I voted fire and brimstone. It just seems more exciting.
I am not sure if you are joking, but I kind of like it too...especially spouted from the pulpit. I have not heard a really excited hell fire and brimstone preacher in ages.
Henriksson wrote:
Sand: Where am I? What is this place?
H4X0R [=WTF=]: lol n00b
Sand has been killed by T67Y [Voss-LAR]
*Sand respawns*
Sand: That was a horrible experience, and not particularly funny.
PlayerDEATH: STFU lol
Sand: I see a jet plane. That might come in handy in this game.
Sand has been killed by PlayerDEATH [Teamkill]
Sand: Oh, for crying out loud...

Rince and repeat, for the rest of eternity. :twisted:
:lmao: It is even funnier because I envisioned him as a mouse.



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14 Sep 2009, 10:20 pm

LETTER FROM THE WARMER REGIONS

This guy in the other pit.
He's got a better demon than me.
His can taunt with a sharper wit.
Mine's mind is weak, I must admit.

Frank, over there, gets the common stuff.
Acid drip, disemboweling, a bit of frying.
You'd think these things were too rough,
But demons do their best by trying.

Sometimes my guy makes things fall off.
An ear, my nose, a nipple or a toe.
I've lost one lung - which makes me cough.
And other things. That's how things go.

But this process is a losing game.
(Pardon the pun) I've had to grow them back.
My demon's required to make me blind or lame.
His torturing suffered for the lack.

The first millennium can be a trial.
But you can accommodate to anything.
The red hot knives, freezing cold, drowning
Can, at first, evoke screams, make you sing.
But, after a century or so, brings only frowning.

My demon and I, between torture sessions,
Now entertain ourselves by playing chess.
Neither he nor I retain any aggressions
And he dislikes cleaning up the mess.



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14 Sep 2009, 10:34 pm

Heaven is Where:
The police are British, The Chefs are Italian, The Mechanics are Germans, The Lovers are French, and it's all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is Where:
The police are German, The Chefs are British, the Mechanics are French, the Lovers are Swiss, and it's all organized by Italians.


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15 Sep 2009, 12:08 am

Tollorin wrote:
Aren't we already in Hell? :roll:


You know the name the threads of Wrong Planet have given to PPR?



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17 Sep 2009, 3:56 am

ruveyn wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
There is a debate over whether hell is literally this big lake of fire and brimstone, or if it is merely the absence of God. What are your thoughts on this?


The notion of Hell assumes another life after our physical biological life. This is a supposition totally lacking any support from empirical evidence. In short, the question is nonsensical.

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An absence of God can take place in the here and now.


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