ruveyn wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
I support Israel's right to exist as a free and independent nation. I also support Britain's right to exist as a free and independent nation.
ruveyn
But you obviously dont give a sh** about the State of Palestine that should have been created instead the creation of Israel, and the damage that this created
There is no State of Israel. There is no Israeli Nation. It was made up for propaganda purposes in 1917. Before Israel was a State the area existed under the British Mandate and before that under the Ottoman Turkish Empire.
If a bunch of gangsters want to declare themselves a State, there will be war, and the war will determine the outcome.
ruveyn
Still works with substituting Israel in place of Palestine. Conclusion: your argument holds no validity.
Now if you wanted to debate it the PROPER WAY, you could say that because of the spoils of war with World War I, the Ottoman Empire was dissolved as a part of the ceasefire agreement, the Brittish Empire was granted control of a portion and they elected to try an experiment in nation-building where they would create an entirely new state in an area where people (the Palestinians in question) already resided*. The locals resisted a move to remove power from the local people and grant that power to immigrants who were seeking to form their own theocratic state. This is where the war actually begins and where the lines are actually drawn
Part of the line, anyways. Problem being: the Brittish Empire actually made a few different promises at the same time for the region in question. One was the Palestinian Mandate. The other being the Israeli mandate. By virtue of the Arab Revolt and the works of Lawrence of Arabia, the Palestinians should have been rewarded for their part in taking down the Ottoman Empire (note: this is the Revolt of 1916, not the 1936 revolt that was due to Brittish officers killing locals). This did not happen as Rothschild and Balfour manipulated political power to grant Israel statehood without just cause. This back-stab is one of many as to why the local Palestinians are so pissed. That and having their land usurped by Foreigners who decree that their religion is the law of the land and confiscate all the most viable land for themselves. The anti-zionist movement in the territory existed before the 1949 official declaration of the state of Israel and was seen as a resistance and a war to keep their land and maintain their lifestyle.
With all that said: Israel will be (and have been) destroying the Palestinians in a very systematic manner that removes any political power from them and removes literal power as well. And they'll probably win because they have the media in their pockets and have the best weapons from the US arms dealers. Another genocide NOT averted.
*Note: these people actually cohabited with local Jewish populations.
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