fat BNp leader Nick "Creosote" Griffin on question

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I was severely unimpressed by everyone on question time. They were all slippery.

Nick Griffin and the lady representing Muslims in particular.

The BNP has been deliberately changed to not be technically racist, yet rather than look at the problems that are still there despite this change people criticised old BNP. So effectively emotional ranting and straw-man arguments.

They did have a good point in showing that he will lie about saying things he is recorded on video as having said.

But, the muslim representation responded to criticism of Islam by saying not all muslims are like that(information the griffin said about the religion) when actually, if you aren't like that you aren't really a muslim. Like the muslims on big brother saying "I'm a muslim but I drink" or someone saying "I'm a christian but I deny christ". His criticism was of the Qur'an and people who follow it and not of people pretending to be muslims because their parents pretended to be as well.

Anyway, despite my views, The Griffin still doesn't have any points I like because I want a secular state. It makes me sick that my 10-year-old sister is PUNISHED in school for not praising a god she doesn't believe in.

Many muslins are Semites, and Iranians are Aryan go figure…

Anyway, what do you know about "Most Iranians" if anything?

Last edited by 0_equals_true on 23 Oct 2009, 5:06 pm, edited 2 times in total.

no Iranians are not anti semitic, they are anti Zionist. Anti zionism is not anti Semitism, i know anti semitism when i see it

Predictably, the all the papers were attacking Nick Griffin today, "left-wing" and "right-wing" alike.

How ironic then that the following news has just today been revealed to the public:

Gosh. The "right-wing" conspiracy theorists have been proved right.
I guess it's hard for even the biggest liars to keep on talking about the economic benefits of immigration with millions unemployed in the middle of the biggest recession in decades.

What nationalists in Britain (and throughout the West) are defending is the continued existence of their people and their culture. This is completely normal. There's nothing "far" about it.
You might not much like Britain's indigenous people, but that's hardly a compelling reason for them to stand by and accept being made a minority in their own country.
By the way, maybe you could enlighten us as to the cultural achievements of anti-nationalists in Britain. "Rock against racism" (sic) concerts perhaps?



This really is a ridiculous straw man that liberals repeat again and again.
Look, I do not need to find a scapegoat every time I stub my toe or forget to buy some milk. I did not need to find a scapegoat when my grandmother died.
But when I walk around the city in which I grew up, I can see my own kin being gradually replaced month after month, year after year. These newcomers are not my kin. That is not scapegoating; it's a simple fact. The people to blame are Britain's political elites. See my post above.
I don't know what your story is, by the way: self-hating white liberal or ethnic minority with a chip on his shoulder? It's one or the other.

The term "anti-semitism" has always referred exclusively and unambiguously to antipathy towards Jews- not to hatred of Semitic peoples in general. Hatred of Arabs (who are Semitic) is not anti-Semitism. Unfortunately, our language is not clear and consistent enough to be free of such misleading terms, but there it is.


Declared anti-Zionism is quite frequently a cover for anti-Semitism. I have had Muslims tell me quite vociferously that they were not anti-Semitic, just anti-Zionist, but they then proceed to disparage Jews (not Zionists) and use "Jew" as a pejorative term (in much the same way that many adolescents use "fag" as an insult). Despite what they may tell you, the typical Muslim does not distinguish between Jews and Zionists.

this is a very telling phrase.

the implication is that someone who doesnt share your views and sense of identity must, therefore hate themselves. Your own mindset has become (perhaps automatically) projected onto other people, because your sense of identity is (to some extent) defined by national and/or cultural values, its inconcievable that someone whos reached a different view of the world could be in possession of a well-adjusted persona.

I'm gonna jump right in the middle and post a video. This is the leader of the BNP along with former KKK leader David Duke speaking to an audience of American nazis about how the BNP employs deceptive language, like substituting "racial purity" for "identity" in order not to be marginalized. Have a look:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw[/youtube]

How anyone with just half a brain can support these lying fascists is beyond me.

@ codarac -

err, no

nothing new, surprising or ironic about any of that. I'm yet to hear anyone challenge the basic premise that New Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are all pro business. Legal immigrants work for lower wages because a) it's more money than they'd earn otherwise b) they're often completely unaware of their rights as a worker in both the EU and UK. Illegal immigrants work for less because, well, their situation is desperate, often life threatening, and most things are better than being tortured and dying at the hands of a quasi-medieval King backed up with financial and military might of any western country with an 'interest' in the country in which they live. Immigrants will work for lower wages - businesses want to pay lower wages. 1+1=?. First generation immigrants frequently don't have the language skills necessary for anything more complex than being cleaners, seasonal farm workers etc or, at most, construction work. Send as many migrants off this island as you want, nothing will change except the color of your hands. Rather than importing labor, businesses will simply export the work. The people you harbor such a dislike for are simply trying to make a living like the majority of us non-rich. that we are forced to compete with each other is a fault of a capitalist economy, not the nasty, malicious, wrong-speak, criminalising mythical creature of BNP literature.

You're confusing a symptom for the disease.

if you think Iranians and Ahmedinejad are anti semitic, then you are blinded by Zionism. Zionism is a mental disorder.

He speaks for the silent majority. In many British cities it's like Kingston or Karachi.

is that the invisible, non-corporeal, silent majority?

Rather invisible yes, corporeal though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=popular[/youtube]

You really do perplex me Laconvivencia....really you do....

like this?



wait, I see him!