Religious+Tolerant

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Stop being a jerk! You're choice!

See this is a nice example.

I was merely giving you good advice. You are getting nasty. A moderator usually gets interested at this point.

When you tell someone to "keep thinking" and then put something like "you might get better results", YOU are tearing them down, and putting yourself over them, and you think I'm going to put up with that abuse? Thank again.

Double post!

I'm not tearing you down, I'm giving you the possibility of rethinking your position. People do that all the time at this site. Admittedly, not very successfully, but it's worth an effort.

Are you seriously telling me that I'm wrong for supporting the OP? I have NOTHING to rethink there. Those people had no place calling her stupid and such just because she had another view.

Why are you insulted because I disagree with you. Atheism is not a religion, it merely is a conclusion that God is unproven, irrelevant, and belief in one leads to illogical thinking. Why should I accept faith as a viable viewpoint? It strikes me as pure foolishness. I don't ask you to agree with me and am not insulted if you don't do so. I just feel it's unfortunate.

I'm insulted because you told me to "keep thinking" like I'm some idiot. Do I need to say this the third time?



You don't say.... Gee, that would have never accured to me. Not one time did I ever call it a religion.



That doesn't mean you go around calling people fools. I am done stirring pot.

If I thought you were a fool I wouldn't bother to request you to think. I would have concluded you were incapable of it. If asking you to use your intelligence is an insult I am dismayed.

The miracle of human cognition and free will.

Knowing which god or what you mean by god would help.

Also, when it comes to the lack of belief in god(s), there is no need for "proof."
As for belief there is no god, I'm not aware of people coming to this conclusion using so called faith. It doesn't make sense overall, yet I imagine as we are dealing with humans there might be some example out there.

Overall, I wouldn't define faith as above though, not that it's not accurate at times. Faith, even if applied to religion has various meanings.

In making that post, I was using the definition of faith that Sand seemed to be using, believing in something without proof, which he thinks is intolerable. I agree there are other definitions.

I think the point the OP was trying to make is: why should it matter what other people believe? Intolerance comes about when it does. Your lack of belief in any god(s) does not harm me; does my belief in one harm you? Why should that be intolerable?

It is wrong to fight for me as I always have sympathy for the other side, and love all human beings. And as it hurts me. It is wrong to discriminate by gender, because it makes people feel bad with no good reason, and gives them less oppurtunities, and makes a negative atmosphere.

Perhaps I'll read the Qoran someday - but even the bible has different philosophies on the meaning of the word "God". More or less it's considered a holy spirit, something that Christology misinterpreted as I see it, but that's for another discussion.

My beliefs are generally that there could be a higher power, and that even if we "sin", he can't blame us, as he's responsible. I believe that good instincts perhaps come from him. Instincts that I like, such as forigiving, researching, doubting, etc.


Can you please provide cases?


Good=good feeling
Bad=bad feeling
Violence, anger=bad
Forgiving, understanding, helping, appreciating company=good

That's really on a general sense, I can to try to explain why something is good and not something else if you wish.

I thought the same before I believed in God.


I can search for exact writers if you like, I'm talking about a general atmosphere I get when talking with non-religious people, not only in the forum. Once they hear I believe in God, they're sure I throw rocks at "blasphmeres" or something.


I think that people don't have to read those books to be "moral". Sometimes they read them and are wrong. Perhaps in "those" times it was more necessary.

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Last edited by Omerik on 06 Mar 2010, 7:32 am, edited 1 time in total.

I'm talking about my own life in Israel, I guess.
Here it's much more complex, because most of the people care because of tradition, not necessarily believe all the stories, and somehow we are one of world's most liberal and conservative countries in the same time...

We have religious rules, but the consensus is to break them and disprespct them (I as well, an anarchist).
We are supposedly conservative, but I never met a homophobic person in my life who wasn't religious, and was ashamed to admit he is homophobic. When there was a shooting in a gay bar in Tel-Aviv there was a mass demo (my friend from Swizterland visited both Gaza and Israel, and said no one would care in his home country), and when conservatives said "don't walk in Jerusalem", a temple was stoned in Tel-Aviv by "liberals". Adding that to the Rabin murder, and to their political parties, people in Israel tend to disrespect the religion more and more, even if they have religious friends.

If I'm not wrong OP means me here, right?
Is so, I'm a he, and no need to get angry. I actually appreciate Sand, even thought we don't agree.


I seriously don't see how can prove or unprove things without having theories.
So perhaps I'm wrong, so what? I'm not afraid of mistakes...

I also didn't prove that SSRIs help me, I just found the said symptoms and the medication works... Probably not placebo, but never scientifically proved that.