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10 Apr 2010, 9:37 am

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Keet, I am sure many of the things you are learning is school allow you to frame ideas in increasingly concise terms. I'm betting that many of these things did not exist not so long ago. Do you and your fiancée have trouble discussing these ideas with your respective parents? That is the widening gulf of advancement, and they likely had a much easier time communicating ideas with their own parents..


What? I am uncertain what you're referring to actually.

The technology, which is the application of science, has some advancements as all the permutations and combinations are being gone through, but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.



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10 Apr 2010, 10:20 am

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but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.

They're still working on string theory and such, and I know a lot of research is still going on in both chemistry and physics, but it's really biology that is the most actively advancing field right now. And biology has changed a lot in the past few decades.


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10 Apr 2010, 10:26 am

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but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.

They're still working on string theory and such, and I know a lot of research is still going on in both chemistry and physics, but it's really biology that is the most actively advancing field right now. And biology has changed a lot in the past few decades.


They've been working on string theory since the mid 90's. Biology is the field with the most interest in it, certainly, but most of what they are doing is using current technology to determine processes which already exist. The field of biomimetics is quite fascinating though, since is it reverse engineering design from biological systems. Probably a lot of the "newer" technology that will be seen will be plagiarized from God...



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10 Apr 2010, 10:29 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.

They're still working on string theory and such, and I know a lot of research is still going on in both chemistry and physics, but it's really biology that is the most actively advancing field right now. And biology has changed a lot in the past few decades.


They've been working on string theory since the mid 90's. Biology is the field with the most interest in it, certainly, but most of what they are doing is using current technology to determine processes which already exist. The field of biomimetics is quite fascinating though, since is it reverse engineering design from biological systems. Probably a lot of the "newer" technology that will be seen will be plagiarized from God...


"plagiarized from God" Now that's a fascinating phrase.



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10 Apr 2010, 10:38 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.

They're still working on string theory and such, and I know a lot of research is still going on in both chemistry and physics, but it's really biology that is the most actively advancing field right now. And biology has changed a lot in the past few decades.


They've been working on string theory since the mid 90's. Biology is the field with the most interest in it, certainly, but most of what they are doing is using current technology to determine processes which already exist. The field of biomimetics is quite fascinating though, since is it reverse engineering design from biological systems. Probably a lot of the "newer" technology that will be seen will be plagiarized from God...


"plagiarized from God" Now that's a fascinating phrase.


Yes, as in the designs in creation which were place upon it by the Creator are being plagiarized by mankind in the field of biomimetics.



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10 Apr 2010, 10:52 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.

They're still working on string theory and such, and I know a lot of research is still going on in both chemistry and physics, but it's really biology that is the most actively advancing field right now. And biology has changed a lot in the past few decades.


They've been working on string theory since the mid 90's. Biology is the field with the most interest in it, certainly, but most of what they are doing is using current technology to determine processes which already exist. The field of biomimetics is quite fascinating though, since is it reverse engineering design from biological systems. Probably a lot of the "newer" technology that will be seen will be plagiarized from God...


"plagiarized from God" Now that's a fascinating phrase.


Yes, as in the designs in creation which were place upon it by the Creator are being plagiarized by mankind in the field of biomimetics.


This seems to be the definition.
Bionics (also known as biomimicry, biomimetics, bio-inspiration, biognosis, and close to bionical creativity engineering) is the application of biological methods and systems found in nature to the study and design of engineering systems and modern technology.

In other words discovering the basic technology beneath the mechanisms developed through evolution by life to survive is somehow demeaning to your deity. I am not trying to be insulting but I find your viewpoint highly amusing and utterly foolish.



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10 Apr 2010, 11:00 am

i like history, its interesting to read.
my only problem is that we know too little.(whether undocumented or biased and misrepresented accounts of what happened)


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10 Apr 2010, 11:01 am

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i like history, its interesting to read.
my only problem is that we know too little.(whether undocumented or biased and misrepresented accounts of what happened)


You're safe enough in assuming all accounts are biased, and misrepresented.



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10 Apr 2010, 11:09 am

i dont believe all are, when approaching pretty much everything you should be neutral without prejudice.

i prefer to look at both sides before making judgement. its sad that historians (by which i mean anyone who documented events) are/were biased in some ways, e.g Herodotus-would have been alot better if he just reported the facts.


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10 Apr 2010, 11:15 am

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i dont believe all are, when approaching pretty much everything you should be neutral without prejudice.

i prefer to look at both sides before making judgement. its sad that historians (by which i mean anyone who documented events) are/were biased in some ways, e.g Herodotus-would have been alot better if he just reported the facts.


If documentation were neutral there wouldn't be sides. It would be merely a relation of events occurred. But you never can be sure what parts have been excluded or emphasized or distorted or totally invented so there are probably more than two sides and that makes the whole business difficult, perhaps impossible to untangle.



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10 Apr 2010, 11:43 am

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i dont believe all are, when approaching pretty much everything you should be neutral without prejudice.

i prefer to look at both sides before making judgement. its sad that historians (by which i mean anyone who documented events) are/were biased in some ways, e.g Herodotus-would have been alot better if he just reported the facts.


If documentation were neutral there wouldn't be sides. It would be merely a relation of events occurred. But you never can be sure what parts have been excluded or emphasized or distorted or totally invented so there are probably more than two sides and that makes the whole business difficult, perhaps impossible to untangle.


There are so many details of the past. There has to be some selectivity to make any sense out of documentation or records or artifacts from the past. The very fact of selection introduces the possibility of bias. It cannot be avoided. We are doomed never to have a clear and complete grasp of our past.

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10 Apr 2010, 12:11 pm

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Biology is the field with the most interest in it, certainly, but most of what they are doing is using current technology to determine processes which already exist.

Well... duh. That's called "science."


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10 Apr 2010, 12:12 pm

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i dont believe all are, when approaching pretty much everything you should be neutral without prejudice.

i prefer to look at both sides before making judgement. its sad that historians (by which i mean anyone who documented events) are/were biased in some ways, e.g Herodotus-would have been alot better if he just reported the facts.


If documentation were neutral there wouldn't be sides. It would be merely a relation of events occurred. But you never can be sure what parts have been excluded or emphasized or distorted or totally invented so there are probably more than two sides and that makes the whole business difficult, perhaps impossible to untangle.

The biases and perspectives themselves are an important part of history, and of great importance in understanding the past. A dry recitation of events holds little value to historians.


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10 Apr 2010, 1:43 pm

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i dont believe all are, when approaching pretty much everything you should be neutral without prejudice.

i prefer to look at both sides before making judgement. its sad that historians (by which i mean anyone who documented events) are/were biased in some ways, e.g Herodotus-would have been alot better if he just reported the facts.


If documentation were neutral there wouldn't be sides. It would be merely a relation of events occurred. But you never can be sure what parts have been excluded or emphasized or distorted or totally invented so there are probably more than two sides and that makes the whole business difficult, perhaps impossible to untangle.

The biases and perspectives themselves are an important part of history, and of great importance in understanding the past. A dry recitation of events holds little value to historians.


That's a very good point but one be must be aware of the standpoint of the transcriber to balance out the viewpoint.



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10 Apr 2010, 11:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The technology, which is the application of science, has some advancements as all the permutations and combinations are being gone through, but the science itself, the chemistry and physics, upon which the technology is developed, has basically been about the same for the last few decades. People seem to have lost interest in learning physical sciences and tend to be more lackadaisical just expecting the future to come to them.


Oh I see what you are getting at. I dont completely agree, but you have a point. Still, the physical sciences are oldest and have more ground covered than the others. Usually in science the revelations come from left field, so to speak. Some astrophysicist or some such will have an epiphany that causes excitement in chemistry. Its like a chair with one long leg.. the other sciences have to catch up for progress to be made.

As far as lackadaisical, I think average people are losing sight of the frontiers. My other post outlined how that might change.

Did you look at reprap? I thought that might be the sort of thing that interested you. It involves physical science, material work and an opportunity to be giving.


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10 Apr 2010, 11:20 pm

'History, says Bokonon, read it and weep.'

Nice sig, by the way, irishaspie.


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